Bono & Eugene Peterson | THE PSALMS


Mr.. Peterson, Eugene [um] my name is Bono. I’m singer with the group U2 and wanted a sort of video message you my thanks and our thanks, from the band, for this remarkable work, you’ve done. There’s been some great translations some very literary translations, but no translation that I’ve read that Speaks to me in my own language, so I want to thank you for that. Take a rest now, won’t you. Bye. I had never heard a Bono before and then one of my students um showed up in class with a Copy of [the] [Rolling] [Stones] Rolling stones and In it there was an interview with Bono in which he talked about me and the message and [he] uses some you know slangy language about who I was And uh and I said who is bono and they were? Dumbfounded I never heard of Bono But that’s not the sort of already traveled it very much, so [that’s] how I ever heard about him And and then people started bringing his music, and I listened to his [music] and I thought I like this guy, and I I was starting to After a while, I started with struck being quite pleased he knew be yes, but the rest of the story is when that he invited you to come and Hang with them for a while you turned him down. I was I was pushing a deadline on the message I was finishing up the old testament the time and I really couldn’t do [it]. [I] I Am you may be the only person alive who? Would turn down the opportunity just [to] make a deadline okay come on It spits bono for crying out loud Dean he was Isaiah. Yeah The old testament [is] a long long book much longer than the new testament And it did take a long time and a lot of devotion on both of our parts to Have that happen I have to say in the last Year’s Eugene’s writing has kept me [a] sane as As this has if you call its name, which you probably won’t Remove the horses. That’s powerful Manual for me and includes a lot of in century ideas, you know I hadn’t really [thought] of of Jeremiah as a performance artist [why] do we need art? Why do we need the lyric poetry exams? Why do we know because the [only] way we can approach [God]? is if We’re honest through metaphor through symbol so arts becomes essential not decorative I Learned about art I went to bed The profits earned with Jeremiah with that book that really changed and then Several years later this was about four years ago four or five years ago [rana] would like this to come to Dallas to my jan and me to come to [Alison] for a concert. We saw where he went to the concert? He was very um Sensitive dyes. [he] was we were winning, but I’ll care for had really good seats and I’d never seen [a] match bit before that was my introduction to the mass bed Is it a pit that’s a mosh pit mosh pit Okay How you can see how uneducated I am in this world and we had a it was a three-hour lunch and we just had a lovely conversation [uh] It was just very personal relational. He didn’t put me on any kind of [a] penicillin, [I] didn’t him so we were very natural with each other, but I was just Through [that] three-hour conversation. [I] was just really Taken by the simplicity of his life. Who he was we is And there was no pretension to him and So I at that point. I just you know felt like he was a companion in the faith [I] see I Think it’s one of his one of his best ones, and [he] sings a lot. I mean he does this a lot it’s one of the psAlms that reaches into that hurt and disappointment, and difficulty of being a human [being] and acknowledges that in a language that is immediately recognizable you know there’s something it reaches into the heart of a person and the Stuff we all feel but many of us don’t talk about I waited and waited and waited for God at last He looked finally he listened he lifts me out of the ditch He pulled me from Deep mud He stood me up on the solid rock to make sure that I wouldn’t slip He taught me how to sing the latest Godson We’re at Eugene and Jan Peterson’s home [Bono] is coming here flying here from Vancouver in order to meet be together connect as friends but also have a conversation about the psAlms in order to share this common love for the PSAlm and Bear witness to others of the Beauty and power of the psAlms Cookies are jokes about field Look at this. It’s so good to have you here great to see y’all. God bless you God bless you that’s for sure. That’s where you live Is it quite a spot you know I just realized never been to Montana haven’t you really so many gifts already [just] [just] [just] since being here And welcome to the flathead that’s what I always like to say to people when they come What is your [earliest] memory of? the PsAlms and what sort of impression Did it have on you both? I was 12 years old and I discovered the psAlms. [I] picked up the bible and I started reading And somebody who told me that the psAlms were important, so I started with the psAlms, and I was totally [confused] um Because I grew up in a culture where every word of the Bible was the word of God literally Don’t mess around with it. It’s just that’s the way it is and I was starting to read On that he keeps my tears in this bottle I shoes on Javelins Rock God is our Rock come on and um After but two or three weeks this sister was just confused and I thought I’m missing something and uh I’d never heard the word metaphor before but I learned what a metaphor was not by knowing the name But by [just] observing what’s going on in that psAlms? So I think the psAlms are important because they for some people like me at 12 years old They showed [me] that imagination was was a way to get Inside the truth. [I] remember the sons from the Little church of Ireland church Some the child’s going. [I] remember thinking right words shame brother qin’s except for The Lord is my shepherd which was great [June] [I] Really like that. This is good words and melodies ah They have this rawness the brutal honesty of whether it’s David or not doesn’t matter the psalmist is brutally honest [about] the explosive Joy, and That is feeling. I’m the deep Sorrow or confusion and It’s that at makes that sets the [sams] apart from me and and I often think gosh Why isn’t church music more like that? the Lord’s my shepherd I not one he makes me down to Lie in pastures Green he Leadeth me the quiet Waters by that [rights] beautiful he was right oh Boy, this is Magic [wow], he quite. How when did you get the place? When did you get this place? Oh, it’s been in the family my father brought the author property Just towards the end of the second world war 1945 46 So then we expanded we doubled the size of this [cuz] we knew it. We’d have a lot of guests when you we’d [have] you foolishly made room for the Irish I got started with a sin Translating the psAlms by translating a song for us distress certain person just a single person [uh-Huh]? To try to get them to realize that Praying wasn’t being nice before God. I would translate a song that I thought fits them And you know the songs are not pretty they’re not They’re [not] nice And um and I would ask them to spray this song Using my translation. I think I’m doing it as about as close to the Hebrew as I can get it And what it’s it’s not smooth. It’s not nice. It’s not pretty, but it’s it’s honest and [I] think we’re trying for honesty um Which is very very hard in art in our? culture I’m talking about dishonesty that I find a lot of in the in Christian art a lot of dishonest Yeah, and I in it and I think it’s a shame because [II] got these are people who? Venerable to God in a good way in a vulnerable. I’m in [poorest] open. I I would love if if this conversation Would inspire people who are writing these beautiful voices and writing beautiful say gospel songs write a song about their bad marriage write a song about About how they’re you know pissed over the government? because that’s what God wants from you that truth the way the truth and And that truthfulness know the truth the truth will set you free he’ll blow things apart why I I’m suspicious of Christians is because Of this lack of realism and I’d love to see more of that in art and in life and in music The Psalms have an honest Quality to the feeling that is expressed the psAlmist is saying I’m mad about this. I’m happy about that I’m confused about this. I’m despairing about that What is the work of the artists in the making of the work to acknowledge the Intensity the reality of the feeling? Without indulging the feeling self-indulgence what? you know I’m an opera singer and So I Let those feelings go Through me and come out having feelings is perfectly normal and and Let them act Why do I like the sams David? I like David very much? He danced naked in front of the troops. That’s one reason. I like him and His missus was not at all happy You know it’s it’s this Abandonment, [you] know ever you’ve got to it’s got to get it out. It’s important and dancing very important and understanding are Our bodies as well as our minds and our spirits and the three-Percent, God the Trinity is reflected in our body mind spirit and We have to ignore. We really do ignore this What do we do with violence violence in our own hearts the sense of wanting to do violence and the violence in the world? That’s a hard question we need to find a way to cuss without cussing And the imprecatory song is sure you do that They just lay it out and I Just I think they’re really important if we’ve got to have some Way in context and the context is our bible and the whole salter some way in context to tell people How mad we are today one of Eugene’s and translations? 35 punched the nose punch [there’s] at 35. It’s Fantastic and punched the nose of the bullies God But I love the idea [of] you got a cuss find a way of cussing without crossing and you have to give vent to That I like that that’s going to stay with me. Do you have songs? that have given some kind of expression Narrative Poetic to violence to this violence [nS]. Violence in the world yes, and It’s [called] raised by Wolves to song I Like try to make it real try to bring people to that place because it must have had an effect on me and I want to understand violence and a bombing that I missed in Dublin myself [and] three car bombs time to go off at 5:30 on Friday night in 1974 any other Time I would have been on the street where the bomb went off because I used to travel through the City Centre I’m going get two buses home from school and but it was [a] bus strike that day, and I [took] a bicycle and I have no problem with the old testament I don’t see god as a violent God, but I think the world is a violent place, and it does reflect that and and either is a terrifying thing some to some of the old testament [but] but but it is real and In a way I kind of prefer it to the airy-fairy Stuff where we don’t get really don’t where we don’t get real? Is there a way to read the psAlms through Jesus’s eyes that helps us understand? Why? [odds] are non-violence. Well yeah a crucifixion There’s violence. There’s got to be some kind of response And is it more violence or less? I’m glad we have a Process in every room in this house, but I when I look at those I think I don’t think of Decoration I think this is the world we live in and it’s a world with a lot of crosses And I just would like to spend my life um doing something about that through [scripture] through preaching through friendship ah [yeah], my you know my ears, or years are getting shorter and I? Don’t have nearly as many left, but [I’d] I don’t want to escape that escape the violence Be with us as we [continue] our lives of serving you with poetry with the [arts] with song finding ways to Enter into what you’re doing already doing Not calculating the chances are blessing. I needed I’ve been doing what’s right there, but you’ve already started doing He was just a thank you for this day the hours of this day your blessing Lord Lord give us your blessing amen Together alright see you guys bye. Don’t run you

100 thoughts on “Bono & Eugene Peterson | THE PSALMS

  1. I'm blown away! So Beautiful! Thank you both Bono & Mr Eugene H.Peterson, this has definitely inspired me to study the book of Psalms again and look at it through different eyes. I too struggled with the book of Psalms. God Bless you both

  2. Thanks Fuller! This was beautifully rendered and very touching. The Petersons are GEMS!

  3. Thank you for sharing this with us. God's love is so precious in friendship.

  4. beautiful! thank you Fuller Studio! Great to see honest brokenness from both men that leads us to His strength for others…thanks again.

  5. Really excellent video. Gives so much to think about. And bravo to Fuller for being brave enough to facilitate something like this when, perhaps, other evangelical institutions might rather have these conversations ABOUT people in the arts community rather than WITH people in the arts community.

  6. It makes one's heart sing to hear honest conversation among folks you respect. Thank you for this film. It could have gone on much longer!

  7. I totally agree with them. I love my christian music but I'll have to admit, it's not as hard hitting as secular music because it doesn't get into the real lives of what we humans typically face. Give me a song about God helping someone out of addiction or homelessness or even jail! Give me songs about being stuck at a dead-end job that you hate but you have to do it to feed your family. Give me a song about having to go to prison and being scared and the Lord helping you in that situation. I want songs that portray what really goes on. Where's the songs about persecution? Christian Martyrs? I don't see them. Give me songs about being a soldier in God's army and having to hold on even though you want to quit. Give me songs like this! PLEASE!

  8. I'm a long time lapsed catholic, but occasionally something will awaken a flicker of faith within & this upload certainly did that for me. Christianity borne of decency, tolerance, thoughtfulness & compassion.

  9. this was fabulous. I want to look for more videos of Eugene. I love his translation. Happy to see bono resonate with Eugene too.

  10. "Don't run!" (Bono slowly moves up the steps). Love this! Very enlightening!

  11. God speaks to each of us ….in our own language. I know there is music in heaven, sweet, sweet music. This translation of the bible gives us all a time to "ponder" just a little longer on a verse you may have memorized and now it comes alive again.

  12. The editing at 4:48 is very clever, in regards to Eugene's comment about education. Nice touch. He may not know about "mosh pits" but he's clearly discovered and shared greater wisdom.

  13. To me: "Achtung Baby" is an album of "cuss without cussing".

  14. Thank you, thank you, thank you for such an incredible perspective of two peoples lives and the awesome perspective they shared with the world through the Psalms! Inspirational video! Thank you again! God bless and keep you!

  15. "dont run" was an amazing moment…I had a very big smile after that.

  16. Wow… I am so used to the "meh" experience when viewing most online videos, but this one really captivated me. I am a musician, so Bono needs no introduction to me and his take on the Psalms is very honest and beautiful. Mr. Peterson's views on cussing without really cussing, is huge! I bet there will be many people, whether they are musicians or not, that will be trying to break this barrier… to curse without cursing and also to those who write songs that are "biblical" but with a lot more truth to them – I think I will give that shot as well! Thank you for this video – it is now saved and will be one of my all time favorites!

  17. "Why I’m suspicious of Christians is because of this lack of realism, and I’d love to see more of that in art and in life and in music"

  18. does anyone think more footage of this interview will ever be released?

  19. Lovely video. I'm more familiar with Peterson than Bono. Those who've only read The Message need to get into his other books like Earth and Altar, Reversed Thunder and A Long Obedience.

  20. Couldn't they at least have given Eugene a magnetic earring?

  21. Two wonderful men.Its a pity it only last 20 minutes, would anybody be kind enough to put the program in its entirety . Thank you for this section it's quite brilliant.

  22. The Artist and Scholar in fellowship. This video is for when you need inspiration with the cheese left off. It starts to get very real at 12:26 and beyond.

  23. Awesome! How God bring two people together through the Word of God and music and from across the world. There is a purpose for this! Only God knows what He is assembling, bring together for His Glory. God is good and all the time God is good! Amen!

  24. I thought I would only watch a few minutes and ended up watching the entire clip. Totally re-inspired to indulge myself in the Psalms! Love it!

  25. Jesus did have an answer for the violence executed upon Him at Calvary. "Father forgive them for they know not what they do!" Violence begets more violence so as a Christian one must pick up their cross and follow Jesus as the world looks on. I perceive a lot of people only use the stuffiness of some Christians as an excuse to themselves for their reason not to examine themselves for the call that the Lord has on their own lives. I did. When I got honest with myself instead of judging others, whether right or wrong, immediately the fruits of the Spirit flowed replacing the judgmental and negative perceptions injected into every day of my life to that point. Just a result of walking in the world for 6 decades.
    Great interview.

  26. super vidéo super bonno super peterson magnificat prions avec les psaumes

  27. I wrote a book report on Peterson's " The Pastor" for Pastoral Theology. Amazing read and journey of truth and faith. Everyone should read this book. Bono wasn't bad either.

  28. "Why I’m suspicious of Christians is because of this lack of realism, and I’d love to see more of that in art and in life and in music" ~~ While I agree with Bono's comment to an extent, I'm curious of what particular "Christian music" he's been exposed to & heard. In other words, is his reference derived only from what he's heard in the sanctuaries he's attended? Is it based on a particular era of CCM (70's, 80's… present day)??  Are there any Christian recording artists, or style, that he is fond of? Since not all of them specifically write or record "praise & worship" songs, and do (in fact) address divorce, child abuse, abandonment, hunger, homelessness (etc.) in their songs, it would be interesting to hear Bono respond with a bit more specificity.

  29. "Mash Pit" really was very cute & as I heard someone off camera say "It's MOSH Pit", I got tickled because it would be a descriptive name for a mosh pit, given that one can get mashed in there.

  30. Oh gosh, both these guys talking about lack of honesty in how Christians are really doing life. Hello? Agree! Why are we afraid to tell the truth about our struggles? We don't want to make God look bad. Ah, but when he delivers us from evil…the holy shine comes thru. These are stories people can relate to. Love to both these beautiful men. Keep talking, keep poking. Thanks for sharing.

  31. Thanks so much for posting this! I enjoyed it very much. I love "The Message Bible"… I am bringing it to Bible Study today! Thank you Eugene and Bono… for all your efforts. God loves you and so do i!

  32. What an enrichment to have seen this video, I look forward to more conversations like this…….I hope Bono returns to Montana……

  33. Really enjoyable to watch. Deep, honest, and superbly expressed as expected by both these men of faith.

  34. wow wow wow! amazing discussion on VIOLENCE and HONESTY. Forgot how Bono grew up in a very violent time and place. wish there were more discussion on very oppressive VIOLENCE in our current society that are procedural and system based.

  35. BONO — YOU are a HERO of mine — for so many very good reasons — ROCK ON Sir Bono — in all that you do — YOU always have such great messages for us all to learn from. THANK YOU. 🙂

  36. Just thank you so much @fullerstudio for blessing us with such an awesome video! Amazing editing and so great content. I love that really!

  37. wow, so beautiful! Thank you for this amazing work that inspire us to be REAL in this world.

  38. Peterson's smile is so big and infectious. I can't help smiling whenever he does.

  39. After having watched this video several times, I have become fascinated with the Psalms . . . I have been reading over the Psalms and recently, began reading CS Lewis's Reflections on the Psalms . . . he has a similar take on the Psalms. Good read!

  40. Fantastic. Kudos to Bono for doing this video and showing the world that it's OK to believe in God.

  41. "You must be the only one to turn down Bono."
    "Dean, it was Isaiah. "
    Haha

  42. God is good and always on the move…

    Everywhere !!!

  43. On cussing without really cussing, Bono and U2 has some lyrics that resonate to me thru their song "Running to stand still" -some lines go like this:
    "You got to cry without weeping
    Talk without speaking
    Scream without raising your voice"
    That last line, "Scream without raising your voice" Bono sings it beautifully and with him actually raising his voice. Just magnificent.

  44. I really enjoyed this video, and I love both Bono's music and Mr. Peterson's translation.

    Mainstream Christians may have problems with his version of the Bible (it always annoys me when well-intentioned critics dismiss his translation as inferior). But this criticism has echos of the way the mainstream church criticised Bono's Christian witness back in the 80's and 90's. He didn't want to be identified with the North American Christian.

    I'm drawn to the divergent stories, the anti-mainstream, the provincial, the byward. I attracted to things that look like Jesus. Thank you to both of these men.

    I'm glad you found each other! Only good things can happen after this.

  45. Just great…Eugene Peterson is a God"s man. We can almost feel his heart beats, that are all for Jesus. I have The Message and I must say it helped me a lot. God bless you, Sir Eugene Peterson.

  46. Watched this in my Hermeneutics class at my Bible college, and fell in love. Re-inspired me thats for sure.

  47. Absolutely loved this – two people who seem to be living vulnerably, committed to creativity and faithful to their respective vocations.

  48. Honest simplicity and truthfulness in understanding the psalms. It searches my soul and hungers for God. Profoundly deep; deeply profound. Thanks.

  49. Wow. What an inspirational conversation to listen in on. Thank you for producing this impactful video!

  50. Nothing heavier, more significant, more transforming or more empowering than the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

  51. This is 17 minutes longer than my attention span usually "takes-me"…However this is near the 1/2 dozen times mark that I have watched this…It is well worth it if you be a fan of U2 or the for that matter a devote of the Bible…Eugene H. Peterson's "The Message" Bible has been my favourite version OF the Bible…It makes me see "things" in a new…in an exciting way…As a Preacher's Kid these "things" are important to me to keep my Faith vital…I recommend that you take the time…I guarantee that it is time well spent…

  52. 17:15 – Cussing without cussing. 'Cry without weeping, Talk without Speaking and Scream without raising your voice'. -Running to stans still, The Joshua Tree 1987. Love the meeting of minds in this short film. I wish we could've seen more.

  53. Thank you for all you do – both of you. You bring a new joy and meaning to modern faith.

  54. I sing "40" to my kids every night since they were born. My 5 year old and 3 year old now try and sing along with me. I love this song..

  55. "IMAGINATION is the way to go inside the TRUTH" EUGENE PETERSON This is an absolute revelation!!!

  56. I was always religious and always prayed,but just recently started reading the bible ,I thought if this is Gods book for us he would want us to read it ! ( not a easy read) but so glad I did.I am getting on in my years 60 now and many times thought about writing something for my children to give them enlightenment when I am gone . I am sure this is the reason why God left us His book.My advise to anyone reading this is to just get curious and start reading you will not regret it ,and be surprised how many more people you know that are also reading the Bible!

  57. Who else would love an audible reading of "The Message" narrated by Bono?! Can we start a thing to make that happen? I wouldn't even wait for my next credit to get it…

  58. to Andreas Kluver..The only thing that has no way, and death … and understand it, you have to overcome, and the surpassing comes with new things, new feelings, to be able to endure the pain …

  59. Walter Brueggeman has done some brilliant work on the psalms too. He also preaches against Western quietism.

  60. That is lovely. Want to see more of their conversation. I agree the violence and pain of the world is too neglected in happy-clappy emotionally banal music of the church. In U2 songs they do write what is very real, and sometimes the ugly things, they expose in the right tone, without sanctioning it.

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