City Council – December 5, 2017 – Part 2 of 2


:>>MADAME SPEAKER: MEMBERS.
COUNCIL, IF I CAN PLEASE HAVE YOU TAKE YOUR SEATS. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THIS MEE
MEETING IS NOW RESUMEED. BEFORE THE RECESS COUNCIL WAS
CONSIDERING THE MAYOR’S FIRST KEY ITEM, EX29.1 ON SMART TRUCK
PROJECT UPDATE AND NEXT STEPS. BEFORE WE RETURN TO THAT ITEM I
WOULD TAKE THE RELEASE OF MEMBER HOLDS.
IF YOU DO HAVE A RELEASE YOU CAN PUT YOUR NAME UP AND
QUESTION TO STAFF. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUICK
RELEASES? COUNCILLOR DAVIS.
>>COUNCILLOR DAVIS: JUST TRYING TO FIND MUST BE
MANAGEMENT IT IS ON PAGE 9.
GM 23.23. CONSTRUCTION LIMITED
DISQUALIFICATION FROM CITY CONTRACTS.
FARE WAGE POLICY NONCOMPLIANCE. I WOULD LIKE TO RELEASE THAT.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: OKAY ON PAGE 9, GM 23.23, COUNCILLOR
DAVIS IS RELEASING. ALL IN FAVOR.
CARRIED. THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR LAYTON.>>COUNCILLOR LAYTON: YES,
THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER. ON PAGE 14 TE 28.6.22 AND
COLLEGE I WOULD JUST LIKE TO VERY QUICKLY POINT OUT THAT
THIS IS LEGALIZING THREE EXISTING LIVE MUSIC VENUES THAT
HAVE FOR DECADES BEEN IN NONCONFORMITY.
WE’LL FIX THAT PENDING WHAT IS THE REQUEST TO OUR LICENSING
STAFF TO BRING BACK A NEW LICENSING REGIME FOR LIVE MUSIC
VENUES. THIS IS EXCITING GOOD NEWS,
LEGALIZING LIVE VENUES IN THE CITY OF TORONTO.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: THAT IS ON PAGE 14, T 28.6.
COUNCILLOR LAYTON IS RELEASING ON FAVOR.
CAREDCARRIED. COUNCILLOR AINSLIE.
>>COUNCILLOR AINSLIE: THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER.
ON PAGE 6 EX 29.3 O, FLEET SERVICES DIVISION 2017 CAPITAL
BUDGET TWO. THOUSAND 18.
2026 CAPITAL PLAN ADJUSTMENTS AND ACCELERATIONS.
I CAN RELEASE THAT.>>MADAME SPEAKER: ON PAGE 6,
EX-29.30, COUNCILLOR AINSLIE IS RELEASING ALL IN FAVOR.
CARRIED. THANK YOU.
NOW I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF — NOT YET.
OKAY. OKAY.
I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF MEMBERS’ MOTIONS TO BE INTRODUCED.
WE HAVE 30 MEMBERS. BUT BEFORE I DO THAT I JUST
WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT IS MY UNDERSTANDINGING THAT WE HAVE
SOME STUDENTS FROM HARBOUR COLLEGE ABILITY.
ARE THEY HERE? WELCOME.
ARCHITECTURE ARCHITECTURE THEN WE ALSO HAVE SOME STUDENTS
FROM YORK UNIVERSITY WORKING ON A PUBLIC POLICY RESEARCH
PROJECT WITH COUNCILLOR GRIMES. ARGONIST, AND LUCCA.
WELCOME. OKAY.
SO WHO IS UP FIRST? JUAN JUANCOUNCILLOR WONG-TAM
>>COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM: YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAME
SPEAKER. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THIS
PARTICULAR MOTION AS PROVINCE OF ONTARIO REQUIRES
CONFIRMATION OF CITY SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT BY THE YEAR-END
YEAR-END. MADAME SPEAKER OKAY.
ALL IN FAVOR. CARRIED.
COUNCILLOR CARROLL.>>COUNCILLOR CARROLL: MADAME
SPEAKER, I DIDN’T HAVE A COPY OF THIS.
YES, MADAME SPEAKER, THIS IS A MOTION THAT NEEDS TO BE DEEMED
URGENT BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO GET TO THE T LAB AS EARLY AS
POSSIBLE.>>MADAME SPEAKER: ALL IN
FAVOR. CARRIED.
COUNCILLOR THOMPSON.>>COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: THANK
YOU, SPEAKER. WELL, THERE IS A MOTION THERE
THAT ALLOWS US TO RENEW A GRANT PROGRAM AND ITS URGENT BECAUSE
IT IS FREE MONEY.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
ALL IN FAVOR. CARRIED. COUNCILLOR THOMPSON YOU HAVE
ANOTHER ONE.>>COUNCILLOR THOMPSON: ALL
RIGHT. RIGHT.
SPEAKER, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE PREPARED FOR
CELEBRATION, COUNCILLOR CARROLL SAYS TO LOAD STUFF UP
PYROTECHNIQUES AND HOPEFULLY THAT THE FRONT WEB C WILL WIN
THE GAME AND WE’LL BE ABLE TO CELEBRATE AND HAVE FIREWORKS IN
THE SQUARE.>>MADAME SPEAKER: ALL IN
FAVOR. CARRIED.
WHO IS NEXT? COUNCILLER CRISANTICOUNCILLOR
CRESSY.>>COUNCELLOR CRESSY: THANK
YOU, SPEAKER. THIS ITEM IS URGENT.
IT IS TECHNICAL UNTIL NATURE BECAUSE I NEED ANY DELAY COULD
IMPACT THE CONSTRUCTION TIME LINE FOR THE YMCA.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: ALL IN FAVOR.
CARRIED. COUNCILLOR CRESSY.
>>COUNCELLOR CRESSY: THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
THIS ITEM IS URGENT. AS IT RELATES TO THE LEGAL
DESCRIPTION OF THE BY-LAW BECAUSE ANY DELAY WILL IMPACT
THE TIME LINES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: ALL IN FAVOR.
CARRIED. COUNCILLOR CRESSY.
>>COUNCELLOR CRESSY: THANK
YOU, SPEAKER. THIS IS THE RELEASE OF SECTION
SECTION 37 TONS FOR PROJECT. IT IS URGENT SO THE WORK CAN
COMMENCE ON SCHEDULE.>>MADAME SPEAKER: ALL IN
FAVOR. CARRIED. OKAY.
BEFORE WE START WE HAVE JUST WANT TO WELCOME STUDENT —
JOURNALISM STUDENTS FROM 17 TILLED TINALL TIN CENTS TIN CENTE
CENTENNIAL COLLEGE. WELCOME.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER, COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS . OKAY.
YOU CAN START.>>COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS: BEFORE I START I HAVE A MOTION.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: IF YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOUR MOTION.
>>COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS: THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO
INCLUDE AS PART OF THE STAGE 5 REPORT THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
CITY TO WORK WITH PRIVATE SECTOR DEVELOPERS INCLUDING THE
OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMUTEER PARKING WITH DEVELOPMENT
ASSOCIATED WITH LAND THAT IS REQUIRED TO CONSTRUCT NEW LOCAL
ACCESS ROADS ON THE EAST SIDE OF FIRNLG KENNEDY FINCH KENNEDY
STATION. MADAME SPEAKER, THE REASON THAT
I AM MOVING THIS AND I WAS GOING TO — IF I CAN HAVE THE
STAFF PUT — OKAY. THIS IS THE MAP.
IF YOU LOOK AT POINT NO. 1
THERE IS A GO STATION. WE OWN PROPERTY.
WE OWN 90 PARKING SPOTS THAT WE’RE SELLING TO METROLINX AND
WE’RE RELEASING THAT AT 2,000,038.
GOING A LITTLE HIGHER AT THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS THE
FINCH AND KENNEDY WHICH IS ABOUT 2-KILOMETERS NORTH OF
THERE. STAFF CAME TO TALK TO ME ABOUT PROPOSED AND WE’RE GOING OF
2220 OR 30 PARKING SPACES. THEY EVALUATED AND TOLD BY
METROLINX THAT WOULD COST $30 MILLION INCLUDING A LOOP OF
THE BUSES THAT THE NUMBERS ARE SOUTH.
WHEN YOU LOOK ON THE SOUTH END, LOOK ON THE SOUTH END, 90
PARKING SPACES, 2 MILLION. WHEN YOU COME UP HERE 220
SPACES COMES TO ABOUT ANYWHERE BETWEEN SIX, IT HAS ME
CONCERNED WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DID YOU KNOWING A GO STATION
TALKING ABOUT NO PARKING. I’M GOING TO GIVE YOU A
SCENARIO FOR MY CALL LEGAL TO SAY.
FOR IF YOU LIVE IN THE SUBDIVISION RIGHT HERE IN THE
MIDDLE, SOMEWHERE THERE. AND YOU WANT TO GET ON TO A TVC
BUS TO GO TO THE GO STATION. YOU ARE LOOKING AT A 10 MINUTE
WALK FROM YOUR HOUSE TO THE TDC BUS STOP.
THE BUS ROUTE. YOU LOOK AT ANOTHER 15 MINUTE
RIDE. THAT TAKES YOU TO ABOUT HALF AN
HOUR. TO GET FROM HERE.
FROM HERE TO HERE OR HERE TO HERE.
TO THE GO STATION BUS STOP. IF THAT IS GOING TO TAKE YOU
HALF AN HOUR ON THE BUS, VERSUS 10 MINUTES IN YOUR CAR, A LOT
OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE UP IN MY AREA A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT
LIVE NORTH OF 401 SAY THE HELL WITH IT.
I’M GOING DRIVE DOWNTOWN. THE CONGESTION HAPPENS NORTH OF
THE 401. FROM SHEPHERD, FROM PHARMACY
AND STEELS TO SHEPHERD AND VICTORIA PARK, IT CAN TAKE UP
TO 35, 40 MINUTES IN ORDER TO DRIVE DOWN THERE.
IF YOU PUNCH THROUGH AND YOU ARE GOING SOUTH OF 401 IT IS
VERY EASILY TO GO DOWNTOWN. IF WE’RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE
PEOPLE NOT TO TAKE THE CAR. IF WE’RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE
PEOPL PEOPLE TO PARK — THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR
LISTENING ESPECIALLY TO MY RIGHT SIDE.
IF WE ARE GOING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET ON THE BUS AND
COME DOWNTOWN WE HAVE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AMPLE
PARKING THAT THEY CAN DRIVE THROUGH.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AMPLE BUS ROUTES.
UNFORTUNATELY MADAME SPEAKER IN SUBDIVISIONS IN THESE
SUBDIVISIONS THERE IS NO WAY FOR THE TDC, ABSOLUTELY NO BUS
ROUTES. FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO THE BUS
ROUTE IT TAKES THEM 10 TO 15 MINUTES.
IF IT IS WINTERTIME IT IS AFTER HOURS IF YOU’RE A FEMALE YOU
CERTAINLY THINK ABOUT IT TWICE BEFORE YOU WOULD WALK OUT TO
THERE. IF WE’RE GOING TO EDGEED
ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THEIR CARS AND GET TO RIDE THE
BETTER WAY DOWNTOWN OR THE GO STATION, WE WILL TO HAVE
PROVIDE PARKING. I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR
WORKING WITH ME. IT WASN’T — IT WAS A LITTLE
BIT AFTER PUSHING AND SHOVING WE WERE ABLE TO DO THIS AND WE
WANT TO THANK CITY STAFF FOR HOLDING A SPECIAL MEETING IN MY
AREA TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE ON NOVEMBER 19.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE PARKING AND THAT WE ADDRESS THE
ISSUE OF PARKING. PAID PARKING OR FREE PARKING
FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GO AND PARK.
THREE PEOPLE PARTICIPATION, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE AND IN ORDER
FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO LEAVE THEIR CARS BEHIND AND COME
DOWNTOWN BECAUSE I WOULD SAY TO MY COLLEAGUES ANYWHERE IN HERE
TO GO FROM HERE FOR EXAMPLE TO HERE TO THERE IT IS GOING TO BE
HALF AN HOUR. THANK YOU MADAME SPEAKER.
I’LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY MIGHT HAVE AT MY SEAT.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU. NOW WE DON’T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
QUESTIONS. COUNCILLOR PERKS TO SPEAK.
>>COUNCILLOR PERKS: THANK YO YOU, SPEAKER.
I HAVE A MOTION THAT CITY COUNCIL DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER
IN THE INTERIM AND CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER TO REPORT
THROUGH THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE TO CITY COUNCIL NO LATER THAN
JULY 17, 2018, WITH AN UPDATE ON FUNDING AND FINANCING
OPTIONS FOR THE CITY FOR SMART SMARTTRACK/RER.
MEMBERS I HAVE SEEN THIS MOVIE BEFORE.
I HAD THE GREAT PRIVILEGE OF CO-AUTHORING A REPORT IN 2002
WITH STEVE MONROE ENTITLED TRANSITS LOST DECADE N THAT
REPORT WE DOCUMENTED HOW THROUGH THE 90S THE TTC
DEFERRED TO PURCHASE VEHICLES CONSTRAINING ITS FLEET SIZE.
STOPPED MAKING INVESTMENTS IN SERVICE FREQUENCY.
AND DREW ALL KINDS OF VERY, VERY OPTIMISTIC MAPS AT THE
TIME WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT NAMES FOR ALL KINDS OF NEW
SUBWAY LINES AND EXPANDING THE RT AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT
NEVER GOT BUILT. AND WE SPENT A FORTUNE PAYING
FOR ENGINEERING AND LAND ACQUISITION AND ALL KINDS OF
STUFF AND WHAT IT LED TO WAS THE LARGEST SINGLE DROP OF RIDE
RIDERSHIP IN TORONTO’S HISTORY. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THAT
WE ARE GOING DOWN THAT ROAD AGAIN.
WE’VE SEEN RIDEERSHIP START TO FLAT LINE.
WE’VE SEEN DEEP CONSTRAINTS ON THE TTC OPERATING BUDGET.
WE’VE SEEN RECENT CANCELLATIONS FOR PARAGRAPHS AND DEFERRAL OF
BUS PURPOSES. AT THE SAME TIME WE DRAW MORE
OPTIMISTIC MAPS FOR WHAT WE’RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IN TERMS
OF CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION. JUST TODAY, WE’RE DEBATING AN
ITEM WHERE WE’RE CONSIDERING ADDING A HUGE CAPITAL COST FOR
UNDERGROUNDING PART OF THE VERY AREA WHERE WE ONCE UPON A TIME
HAD AID SUBWAY PLAN THAT WAS FILLED IN BY A PROVINCIAL
GOVERNMENT. THIS IS NOT THE PATH TO SUCCESS
SUCCESS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAFT BUDGET
THAT WAS ANNOUNCED LAST WEEK YOU’LL SEE ALSO THAT WESTERLY
MOVING $300 MILLION OUT OF THE PLANNED CAPITAL EXPENDITURE FOR
LAST YEAR TO A DAYTON KNOWN DAYTON DATE UNKNOWN.
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 15 YEARS I BELIEVE IT IS WE ARE
PROPOSING A CAPITAL BUDGET THAT MEANS THAT OUR STATE OF GOOD
REPAIR IS GOING TO FALL FURTHER AND FURTHER BEHIND EVERY YEAR
FOR A DECADE. IN OTHER WORDS, AS WE KEEP
ADDING FANTASYIES ABOUT WHAT WE’LL BE ABLE TO BUILD,
IGNORING THE OBVIOUS REALITY THAT WE’RE GETTING FROM STAFF
ADVICE THAT WE HAVE NO CAPACITY TO BUILD THESE THINGS WHILE
SIMULTANEOUSLY ARTIFICIALLY CONSTRAINING OUR ABILITY TO DO
THE ONE THING THAT ACTUALLY ATTRACTS RIDERS WHICH IS TO
IMPROVE SERVICE FREQUENCY. WE ARE BUILDING A VERY BLEAK
TRANSIC FUTURE. AND BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER
DOWN THE ROAD OF ADDING NEW FANTASY LINES AND NEW FANTASY
STATIONS AND NEW FANTASY UNDER UNDERGROUND LINES AND ALL OF
THESE THINGS THAT MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL OR PEOPLE DURING
ELECTIONS ADDED TO THE CAPITAL PLAN, WE NEED TO ACTUALLY
UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR FINANCIAL CAPACITY TO DELIVER TRANSIT
SERVICES. SO THAT WE’LL STOP CHASING
GHOSTS AND PHANTOMS AND START ACTUALLY PUTTING SERVICE ON THE
STREET SO THAT RIDEERSHIP STOPS ITS DECLINE AND STARTS TO GROW
AGAIN. IT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL THAT
BEFORE WE LEAVE OFFICE AT THE END OF THIS TERM WE HAVE
REALISTIC FINANCIAL PLANS FOR HOW WE’RE GOING TO INVEST IN
DAY TO DAY TRANSIT SERVICE AND HOW TO SUM UNDERSTANDING THAT
WE’RE ALL READY HAVE EYES WAY BIGGER THAN OUR STOMACHS IN
TERMS OF THE CAPITAL PLANS THAT WE KEEP ADDING IN AT EVERY
COUNCIL MEETING OR EVERY ELECTION.
I HOPE YOU’LL SUPPORT MY MOTION MOTION.>>MADAME SPEAKER: BEFORE WE
CONTINUE I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME THE GRADE FIVE STUDENTS
FROM FRANKLIN COMMUNITY SCHOOL LOCATED IN WARD 30.
THEIR LOCAL COUNCILLOR IS COUNCILLOR FLETCHER AND GROUP
LEADER IS GARY BEALER. WELCOME. COUNCILLOR CARROLL TO SPEAK.
>>COUNCILLOR CARROLL:. .
THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER. MADAME SPEAKER, I HAVE A MOTION
THAT CITY COUNCIL DELETE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
RECOMMENDATION 4-B. THAT BEING IN CONSIDERATE READ.
IT IS THE ADDED DIRECTION FROM THE COMMITTEE TO ADD A WORKING
GROUP TO CONTINUE TO DISCUSS EXTENDED TUNNELING.
NOW, I KNOW — I KNOW THAT IN THAT COMMITTEE THE PURPOSE OF
THIS WORKING GROUP WAS TO PERSUADE THE FEARS OF THE
COMMUNITY THAT HASN’T FULLY DIGESTED ATTACHMENT NO. 2.
IT’S LIKELY THE MOST IMPORTANT REASON FOR WORKING GROUP
SETTING UP A WORKING GROUP. THERE IS CERTAINLY NO MONEY TO
TAKE THIS MOUNT DENNIS AND TURN INTO IT A SUBWAY.
JUST ISN’T. BUT THERE IS, IF THEY HAD BEEN
GIVEN HELP TO UNDERSTAND ALL THE CONSIDERATIONS, THERE ARE
VARIOUS GRADE SEPARATIONS BEING CONSIDERED HERE AND SOMETIMES
ABOVE GRADE IS CALLED FOR. IN VERY EXCITEING WAY, WAYS NOT
CONTEMPLATED WELLS IN TOWN AND SOMETIMES BELOW GRADE IS THE
ONLY OPTION THERE WILL BE SOME TUNNELS.
THERE WILL BE SOME BELOW GRADE LINES BELOW THIS LINE.
I’M REMOVING THIS CONSIDERATION BECAUSE STAFF HAVE DONE ENOUGH
WORK TO KNOW THAT THE MOST AFFORDABLE BUT ALSO THE MOST
ADD VAN TAKE US FROM A PURE TRANSIT PLANNING PERSPECTIVE,
THE MOST ADVANTAGEOUS WAY TO PROCEED TO CONNECT THE MOST
PEOPLE. TO MAKE THE BIGGEST CHANGE.
THE BIGGEST CHANGE ON CHANGING PEOPLE’S PEOPLE’S MODE OF
TRAVEL TO WORK IS TO PROCEED WITH THE 10 STOPS STOPS.
AND WE KNOW THIS FROM CITIES AROUND THE WORLD.
AND WHAT I WOULD HATE TO SEE HAPPENING NOW IS AGAIN IN AN
EFFORT TO SIMPLY POLITICALLY KEEP THE WATERS CALM WHILE WE
PLAN, WE KEEP LOADING INTO THE HOPPER SOMETHING THAT WE CAN’T
EVER FUND. THAT’S A CRUEL AND INHUMANE
THING TO DO TO COMMUNITIES IN MY VIEW.
WE CAN’T EVER FUND IT. WE WON’T EVER HAVE ENOUGH MONEY
AS IT IS. THE COST OF THIS LINE WILL SUR
SURELY, WILL SURELY BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE GRADE SEPARATIONS
IT WILL GO UP IN COST. THIS IS THE SCARBOROUGH SUBWAY
HAS GONE UP IN COST AND WILL CONTINUE TO GO UP IN COSTS.
BUT IF WE START DOWN THIS ROAD AND WE CONTINUE TO KEEP THE
LITTLEST FLICKER OF A FLAME ALIVE OF THIS CONVERSATION,
THAT FLAME BEGINS TO GROW AND GROW AND GROW.
AND PRETTY SOON, WE’RE SENDING VERY MIXED SIGNALS TO THE OTHER
PLAYERS IN THIS GAME. METROLINX I DARE SAY.
THE BOARD OF TRADE WHO IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT ARE YOU
DOING. WE CONTINUE TO KEEP FLICKER FS
FLAMES OF MISUNDERSTANDING ALIVE ALL OVER TOWN.
THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE SAME SCENARIO
HAPPENING WEST OF YOUNG STREET THAT WE HAVE EAST OF YOUNG
STREET. AND THAT IS, THAT WE STARTED
OUT WITH SEVEN STOPS ON A RAIL LINE GOING ALL THE WAY TO
SCARBOROUGH CENTENNIAL COLLEGE ON TO THE CHINESE CULTURE
CENTER ABLE TO MEASURE MELBOURNE.
AND ONE DAY SEVEN GOT CUT IN HALF AND BECAME THREE.
AND THEN THREE BECAME ONE PLUS. AND THEN THE PLUS DISAPPEARED.
THE NINE STOP EXTENSION DISAPPEARED THERE WAS NO
FUNDING FOR IT. NOW WE’RE GOWN DOWN TO JUST THE
ONE. JUST THE ONE AND A BUS TERMINAL
TERMINAL. AND THOSE ARE NO ONE WILL ARGUE
ARGUE. SOME OF THE MOST POLITICAL
DISCUSSIONS EVER TAKEN. SO IF WE’RE GOING TO KEEP THIS
FLAME ALIVE SIMPLY BECAUSE 2018 IS AN ELECTION YEAR FOR ONE AND
ALL NO MATTER WHAT LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT YOU’RE RUNNING FOR.
WELL FOR ALL OF US I DARE SAY COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS FOR ALL
OF US. THERE ARE TWO ELECTIONS AND NO
ONE IS PRETENDING THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
IF WE’RE JUST GOING TO — IF WE’RE JUST GOING TO FURTHER MIS
MISINFORM AND KEEP HOPE ALIVE FOR THAT PURPOSE, WE’RE NOT
DOING OUR COMMUNITY ANY FAVORS. WE NEED TO DO REALLY WELL AT
DESIGNING THE SYSTEM THAT STAFF HAVE ALREADY TOLD US FROM THE
STUDIES THUS FAR THEY CAN DO AND ARE READY TO DO NOW.
THE ONLY OTHER THING IS I WOULD REMIND YOU THE ANSWER I GOT
FROM STAFF ON — IF MY MOTION FAILS.
KNOW THIS. IF YOU ARE STARTING A WORKING GROUP WELL THAT
DIRECTION SAYS IN CONSULTATION WITH LOCAL COUNCILLORS I HAVE
ASKED STAFF AND STAFF HAVE MADE IT THEIR COMMITMENT THAT IF YOU
THINK THAT YOU’RE SETTING UP A WORKING GROUP THAT HAS NO ONE
ON IT THAT IS A DAILY COMMUTER ON TRANSIT, THAT IS NOT GOING
TO HAPPEN. THERE WILL BE RIDEERS ON THAT
GROUP. BUT MY MOST HUMAN HUMANE AND MY
FONDEST WISH THAT IS WE NOT EVEN STRIKE THIS GROUP.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU MADAME .
COUNCILLOR FLETCHER. FLESH THANK YOU
>>COUNCILLOR FLETCHER: I WAS GETTING A GLASS OF WATER WHEN
YOU WERE PROSEUSSING THE STUDENTS FROM FRANKLIN AND I
WANTED TO SAY HELLO AND SAY FRANKLIN SCHOOL IS BUILT AS A
SCHOOL AND CITY OF TORONTO COMMUNITY CENTER TOGETHER.
WELCOME FRANKLIN COMMUNITY SCHOOL.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU,
COUNCILLOR FLETCHER. I DIDN’T KNOW YOU WERE GETTING
A GLASS OF WATER. COUNCILLOR CRESSY TO SPEAK.
>>COUNCILLOR CRESSY: THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
I’LL BE BRIEF. I HAVE A MOTION IF IT CAN BE
PUT ON THE SCREEN WHICH IS TO DELETE THE COMMITTEE
RECOMMENDATION TO EXPLORE TUNNELING AND TO REPLACE IT
WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE AT GRADE
EXTENSION AND THOSE ARE ALL MY REMARKS.
THANK YOU.>>MADAME SPEAKER: ARE YOU
FINISHED, COUNCILLOR CRESSY?>>COUNCILLOR CRESSY: THAT’S
IT.>>MADAME SPEAKER: NOW THAT
WAS FAST. YOU’RE THE FIRST. COUNCILLOR MIHEVC CAN YOU MAKE
IT FAST?>>COUNCILLOR MIHEVC: I PUT A
SHEET ON THE BOARD. THEY’RE IN TOTAL SUPPORT.
WE CANNOT GO DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE OF EXPLORING TUNNELING.
HERE IS THE REASON THAT — IF YOU CAN PUT ON BASE CASE AT
GRADE IT IS $1.5 BILLION TO THE AIRPORT.
ABOUT 1 BILLION TO MARTIN GROVE TO THE EDGE OF OUR CITY.
IF YOU ADJOURNED GROUND JUST THREE STOPS YOU HAVE TO ADD 1.5
TO $2.1 BILLION. IF YOU ADD 10 STOPS YOU HAVE TO
ADD AN ADDITIONAL 250 TO $350 MILLION PER STATION.
THIS IS ON A PART OF EGLINTON WHERE — IT IS WIDE ENOUGH THAT
YOU COULD LAND AID PLANE. THIS IS A PLANE.
THIS IS LUNATIC TO ASK STAFF TO GO DOWN THAT.
THERE IS A LOT OF PIECES BEFORE US HERE.
THIS PIECE WE HAVE TO NIP IT IN THE BUD.
WE HAVE GOT A GOOD PLAN. IT IS ALREADY BEEN RESEARCHED
FAIRLY THOROUGHLY AND WE’VE GOT TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT STEP.
SENDING THEM ON THIS TO YOUR DOES NO ONE ANY GOOD AND IT
THREAT ESPECIALLIES THE ENTIRE SMARTTRACK PROJECT.
I URGE MY COLLEAGUE TO SAY NOT GO IN THIS DIRECTION.
THANK YOU.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR CAMPBELL.>>COUNCILLOR CAMPBELL: THANK
YOU, MADAME SPEAKER. IT IS INTERESTING THAT COUNCI
COUNCILLOR WANTS TO ENDORSE A PLAN THAT HAS BEEN FAIRLY
THOROUGHLY RESEARCHED AND HE POINTS OUT THAT YOU COULD LAND
A PLANE ON IT. WELL, I WONDER IF HE’S BEEN
ALONG EGLINTON LATELY BECAUSE IF YOU DID SO YOU PROBABLY
WOULD TAKE OUT, YOU KNOW, SIX LANES OF TRAFFIC IN SOME CASES.
TRAFFIC CONGESTION ALONG EGLINTON IS UNBEARABLE FOR
PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. TRAFFIC AND I’M THE COUNCILLOR
MOST AFFECTED BY THIS PROPOSED EGLINTON LRT.
THERE SEEMS TO BE THE VIEW OF SOME COUNCILLOR THAT PEOPLE IN
THIS AREA ARE UNSUPPORTIVE OF MASS TRANSIT AND THAT IS NOT
THE CASE. ALL PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR IS
AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REAL CONSULTATION.
THERE WAS A — WE HAD SOME MEE MEETINGS AT A NUMBER OF THE
LOCAL HIGH SCHOOLS. PEOPLE WERE ADAMANT THAT THEY
WANTED TO BE LISTENED TO IN REGARD TO EITHER TUNNELING — A
TUNNELING OPTION OR IN REGARD TO GRADE SEPARATION.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO TUNNELING THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS MIS
MISCONCEPTION THAT WOULD BE ALL THE WAY FROM BLACK CREEK ALL
THE WAY TO THE AIRPORT WHICH IS RIDICULOUS.
EVEN IF YOU TAKE OUT THE EGLINTON FLATS.
THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO TUNNEL APART OF THAT ROADWAY
THAT WOULD MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THERE IS ALREADY A CONSIDE CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF
DEVELOPMENT THAT IS IN THE WORK ALONG EGLINTON AVENUE.
CITY COUNCIL AND ITS WISDOM BACK IN 2012 SOLD ALL OF THE
LAND OR TRANSFERRED ALL OF THE LAND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF
EGLINTON TO BUILD TORONTO. A LOT OF THAT LAND HAS ALREADY
BEEN DEVELOPED. THERE IS SOME 2000 UNITS THAT
WILL BE ON THE BOOKS AND IN THE PLANNING PROCESS IN THE NEXT —
WITHIN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. AND RESIDENTS IN OUR AREA ARE
REALLY JUST LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH
STAFF WHO REALLY HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THE TUNNELING OPTION
IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM. IT HAS NOT BEEN — IT HAS NOT
BEEN COST OUT COUNCILLOR MIHEV MIHEVC.
IT HAS NOT BEEN COST OUT AND DIFFERENT SCENARIOS HAVE NOT
BEEN COST OUT. AND I FIND IT IS REALLY COMICAL
THAT COUNCILLORS WHO HAVE SUB SUBWAYS IN THEIR WARDS DON’T
WANT TO SEE IT ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY OF TORONTO AND YOU
KNOW FAR BE IT FROM US TO HAVE ANY — FAR BE IT FROM US THAT
WE EVEN TALK OR THINK ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY OF TUNNELING.
SO I THINK WHAT WE’RE LOOKING FOR, THIS IS NOT — THIS IS NOT
AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US WHERE WE’RE LOOKING FOR AN IN
INTERMINABLE DELAY. WE KNOW THE WORK THAT CITY
ELECTRICIANS TRANSPORTATION HAS PUT INTO IT.
IT IS OUR VIEW, MY VIEW, THE VIEW OF COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY THAT
A THOROUGH LOOK OF THE OPTIONS NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE.
BY THE WAY IF WE NEED PEOPLE ON THE WORKING GROUP THAT TAKE
PUBLIC TRANSIT, I’M ONE AS IS COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY AND WE’RE
MORE THAN HAPPY TO ENDORSE PUBLIC TRANSIT.
THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR PERKS.>>COUNCILLOR PERKS: THANK YOU
YOU, SPEAKER. COUNCILLOR CAMPBELL SAID
SOMETHING DURING HIS SPEECH I’M SURE IT WAS INADVERTENT BUT
MADE THE CLAIM STAFF HAD NOT LOOKED AT TUNNELING IN ANY
SHAPE OR FORM. HE WOULD NEVER IMPUGN STAFF
THAT WAY GIVEN THAT WE HAVE A REPORT THAT MENTION WORK STAFF
HAS DONE TO LOOK AT CERTAIN SHAPES AND FORMS OF TUNNEL.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: OKAY. COUNCILLOR BAILAO.
>>COUNCILLOR BAILAO: THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER.
I DO HAVE A MOTION. THE MOTION IS ACTUALLY TO ASK
THAT THE WORK THAT WE’RE DOING ON THE ST. CLAIRE STATION AND
ST. CLAIRE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION
THE EXPANSION NORTH OF THE WEST TORONTO RAIL PATH WHICH HAS
BEEN A GOAL OF OURSELVES OF THE 10 YEAR CYCLING PLAN.
YOU MADAME SPEAKER, COUNCILLOR
PERRUZZA HAVE SEEN THAT IT IS EXPANDED NORTH AS WELL.
WE HAVE BEEN PLANNING THE WORK AND IT SHOULD BE DONE TAKING
THE CONSIDERATION AT THE SAME TIME ALLOCATEDING THE LANDNESS
FOR IT AND IF WE DON’T HAVE IT WE HAVE ALTER ALTERNATIVES TO
TAKE THE PATH CHILLS SOUTH OF DAVENPORT TO BE INTEGRATED WITH
PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND WITH A ROAD NETWORK AS WELL.
I CAN HOPE I CAN GET YOUR SUPPORT.
MY COMMUNITY IS VERY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO NOT ONLY HAVE GOOD
TRAILS THROUGH THE WEST TORONTO RAIL BUT HAVE THE CONNECTION
THAT WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR MANY YEARS THROUGH THE
ST. CLAIRE STATION, THROUGH THE LORAN STATION AND DOWN THROUGH
THE QUEEN WEST LIBERTY STATION. SO WHEN WE FOUND OUT A FEW
YEARS AGO THAT THE DOWNTOWN RELIEF LINE WAS NOT GOING TO
COME TO THE WEST. WE’VE ADVOCATED STRONGLY TO
HAVE THIS LOOKED AT. OUR COMMUNITY VERY OFTEN SAYS
THAT WE’VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE TRAINS GO BY FOR WAY TOO OFTEN
AND IT IS ABOUT TIME WE GET ON THEM AND MAKE GOOD USE OF THEM
AS A COMMUTER LINE AS WELL. WE’RE LOOKING FORWARD TO BE
ABLE TO GET ON THE STATIONS AND GET ON THE TRAINS TO GET AROUND
USING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION BUT TAKING FULL ADVANTAGE OF
OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE TO ENHANCE OTHER NETWORKS SUCH AS
THE SUING ELING NETWORK AS WELL WELL.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE A QUESTION.
COUNCILLOR LAYTON.>>COUNCILLOR LAYTON: IF THE
CLERK COULD PUT THE MOTION ON THE PAGE I JUST WANT TO MAKE
SURE I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY BECAUSE WE’RE LOOKING AT
INTEGRATION INTO DESIGN NETWORK OF THE ST. CLAIRE NORTH NORTH
AND WEST SMARTTRACK STATION BUT IS THE INTENT TO INTEGRATE IT
INTO THE LIBERTYVILLE LIBERTYVILLE LANGUAGE STATION?
>>THAT WORK WE ARE — IT IS THERE IF YOU LOOK AT THERE IS
THE 99 SUDDEN BURY 99 SUDDEN 99
SUDBURY AND LOOKING AT THE POSSIBLE HIGH LINES SO WE’RE
LOOKING AT THAT. IN THE NORTH I HAVEN’T SEEN —
ON THE DRAWING I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF ARE
LOOKING AT GUARANTEEING THE SPACE AND ARE LOOKING INTO THE
NETWORK.>>FAIR ENOUGH.
A GOOD MOTION. THANK YOU.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PALACIO.
>>COUNCILLOR PALACIO: THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER.
SO YOUR MOTION THE INTENT OF YOUR MOTION IS SIMPLY TO ENSURE
WHAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
NOISE TO MOTIONS HERE ADOPTED BY COUNCIL THAT THERE WAS THE
EXTENT TO THE NORTH.>>ABSOLUTELY COUNCILLOR.
WE’VE HAD SEVERAL VOTES EXPRESSING OUR FULL SUPPORT FOR
THE EXPANSION NORTH. BUT SINCE WE ARE DOING THIS
DESIGN WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT>>SO WE ARE DOING A BIT OF A
— YOU KNOW, BEST GUESS. BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE’RE GETTING THE BEST INFORMATION POSSIBLE.
SECONDLY, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 30 TO 40 — THE EQUIVALENT OF
30 TO 40 FULL TIME STAFF RIGHT NOW WHO ARE WORKING ON THE RER
PROJECT. FROM TRANSPORTATION SERVICES,
PLANNING, WATER, PARKS, BUILDINGS, THEY ARE ALL WORKING
ON THE RER PROJECT AND RECOMMENDATION FIVE SAYS, WE
SHOULD GO AND NEGOTIATE WITH METROLINX TO GET THAT MONEY
BACK MONEY BACK. BECAUSE THEY ARE USING OUR
EXPERTISE, OUR REVIEW CAPACITY. THAT IS FAIR.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY PAY FOR THOSE COSTS.
THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION SIMPLY SAYS, GIVE US AN UPDATE.
IN Q 2 OF 2018. ON WHERE YOU ARE WITH METROLINX
IN SECURING THOSE COSTS. NOW, METROLINX, IT HAS ENTERED
INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY FOR THE EGLINTON CROSSTOWN THAT
THEY WILL PAY FOR OUR STAFF TIME THAT HAS GONE INTO THAT
PROJECT. BUT I THINK THIS IS GOING TO
RAMP UP MUCH QUICKER AND WE’RE GOING TO BE FINEING OURSELVES
VERY BE FINED BE FINEDING OURSELVES WELL QUICKLY WITH A
LOTTOING US WITH TERMS AND CONDITIONS.
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE PIN THIS DOWN BY Q 2 OF 2018. I ALSO WON’T SUPPORT
EXPECTATIONS THAT WE’RE GOING TO BUILD A SUBWAY IN ETOBIOCOKE
ETOBIOCOKE.>>MADAME SPEAKER: PLEASE, NO
APPLAUSE. COUNCELLOR MAMMOLITI.
>>COUNSELLOR MAMMOLITI: WELL, THE AMENDMENT BY COUNCILOR FORD
DOES MAKE SENSE. ANYBODY THAT HAS BEEN AROUND
THIS PLACE A WHILE WILL KNOW THAT IN FACT THAT WAS THE
ORIGINAL PLAN WHEN THE PROVINCE WANTED TO BUILD A PROVINCE.
THEN AFTER THEY DITCHED THAT EFFORT AFTER HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WAS SPENT IN TUNNELING WE CONTINUED WOR
WORKING THAT EQUATION IN AND EVEN WHEN MILLER INTRODUCEED IT
ON EGLINTON, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT HALF OF THAT
WOULD BE UNDERGROUND. AND SOMEWHERE LONG THE LINE,
SOMEONE DUDEED TO CHANGE THAT. IT IS ALWAYS A FACTOR BUT IN
SOUTH END OF YORK THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A PARTICULAR
FORM OF TRANSPORTATION THAT WAS UNDERGROUND. THIS COUNCIL HAS TAKEN A
DIFFERENT TERM. ANY TIME AND EVERY TIME SUB
BURN WANTS AND EXPECTS WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY THEIRS WITH RIDEE
RIDERSHIP OR OTHERWISE, IT IS ALWAYS A NO.
NO MATTER WHAT IF THEY CAN
JUSTIFY IT THIS, COUNCIL SAYS NO.
ALL YOU DESERVE IS AN ABOVE GROUND LRT AND THAT IS ALL
WE’RE GOING TO GIVE YOU. THAT IS WHY THIS MAKES — THIS
PARTICULAR PROJECT NEEDS TO BE SENT BACK WITH THE MOTION THAT
COUNCILLOR FORD HAS BROUGHT FORWARD.
I WON’T BE SUPPORTING THIS REPORT WITHOUT THE TUNNELING.
IT WON’T HAPPEN. AND I SAY THIS TO SCARBOROUGH
COUNCILLORS AS WELL THAT ARE GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THIS
PARTICULAR PLAN. YOU’RE SUPPORTING THE PLAN AND
I KNOW WHY YOU’RE SUPPORTING THE PLAN BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IN
ONE WAY OR ANOTHER YOUR PARTICULAR SUBWAY IS GOING TO
HIT YOUR COMMUNITY AND THAT — THAT COMMITMENT IS GOING TO BE
MADE TO YOU IN THE FUTURE. YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE THE SUB
SUBWAY AS QUICK AS YOU VOTE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PLAN.
THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN HERE.
SO IF YOU THINK THAT YOU’RE REPRESENTING SCARBOROUGH BY
MAKING THIS PARTICULAR DECISION DECISION, I’LL SAY THIS TO YOU,
MY COLLEAGUES, AND TO EVERYBODY IN SCAR SCARBOROUGH, YOU’RE
GOING TO LOSE YOUR SUBWAY PLAN IF THIS COUNCIL HAS ANYTHING TO
DO WITH IT. ALL RIGHT.
AND THAT I THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND
IS GOING TO BE BASED ON COST AGAIN AFTER THIS PARTICULAR
VOTE HAS BEEN TAKEN. LET’S GET TO ANOTHER PART OF
THE EQUATION IN THE SUB BURNS. THAT IS FINCH AVENUE.
COUNCILLOR DAVIS SAYS WE SHOULD HAVE A — AN UP-TO-DATE COUNT
OF RIDEERSHIP. ABSOLUTELY.
I HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT FROM THE BEGINNING.
THE POLICY AT TTC IS, IF NOBODY WANTS TO PAY, ESPECIALLY ALONG
FINCH AVENUE, DON’T ASK ANY QUESTIONS DRIVER.
WHICH MEANS THEY’RE NOT COUNTING.
AND IN JANE AND FINCH THE AREA WE ARE TOLD THEY DON’T HAVE THE
RIDEERSHIP THEY HAVE NOT BEEN COUNTING FOR YEARS.
90% OF THE PEOPLE THAT GET ON TO THE FIGURING BUSES RIGHT NOW
STILL — THE FINCH BUSES STILL TO THIS DAY ARE GETTING ON FREE
AND WE’RE NOT COUNTING THEM. HOW UNFAIR THAT IS?
AGAIN IT IS THE SUBURB THAT WOULD EXPECT AND RIGHTLY SHOW
THE RIDERSHIP THAT WARRANTS IT BUT WE’RE NOT COUNTING THEM
BEING TOLD THAT THEY’RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A SUBWAY.
THE ONLY THING THEY CAN HAVE IS THE LRT AND YOU HAVE A
COMMUNITY THAT DOESN’T WANT IT. SO I STAND IN MY PLACE SAYING,
YEAH, IT IS A VISION THAT THE MAYOR HAS.
UP UNTIL THIS POINT I HAVE SUPPORTED THAT PARTICULAR
VISION BUT IT IS ALWAYS BEEN CONTINGENT ON THE SCARBOROUGH
SUBWAY PLAN AND YES THE TUNNELING ON EGLINTON AVENUE.
IF WE’RE GOING TO DO THESE KINDS OF VENTURES THEN YOU GOT
TO THINK ABOUT THE REST OF THE CITY AND WHAT OUR RESIDENTS
WANT IN THE REST OF THE CITY. WE’RE NOT.
AND LASTLY, I DON’T BELIEVE THAT TPC BELONGS TO US ANY MOR
MORE. I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE TO IT
METRO LINKS AND LET THEM RUN IT IT.
QUITE FRANKLY, WE HAVE HAD ALL THESE BOONDOGGLES BECAUSE THE
POLITICIANS HAVE SAT ON THE BOARD OF TTC AND OTHERWISE AND
LET’S GIVE TO IT A GROUP OF EXPERTS.
GIVE THEM THE MANDATES TO DELIVER WHAT THEY THINK MAKES
SENSE WITH RESPECT TO TRANSPORTATION IN THE CITY AND
GET IT OFF OUR HANDS COMPLETELY COMPLETELY.
BECAUSE IF NOT WE’RE JUST GOING TO BE BACK HERE TIME AND TIME
AGAIN. EVERY TIME THERE IS A MAYOR
THAT HAS HIS OWN VISION HIS OWN LINE AND HE WANTS IT AS A
LEGACY PROJECT. THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE.
WHILE WE’VE DONE THIS EVERYBODY ELSE IS GOING TO LOSE OUT.
SCARBOROUGH YOU’RE LOSING OUT. YOU’RE LOSING OUT.
IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. AND EGLINTON, I RECALL IN 2010
WHEN WE HAD THOSE DEBATES ALONG THAT CORRIDOR, THE SOLUTION WAS
THE TUNNELING ON EGLINTON AVENUE AND THAT PARTICULAR
COUNCIL SAID YES TO THAT. NOW YOU WANT TO TAKE IT AWAY
FROM THE SUB SUBURBS AGAIN. CONGRATULATIONS.
WE LIVE IN A WONDERFUL CITY THAT REALLY CARES ABOUT
EVERYBODY. SEEMS TO ME EVERY TIME WE STAND
UP>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
>>WE’RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN FOR THE SUBURBS AND WE
LEAVE EVERY SINGLE TIME.>>MADAME SPEAKER: YOUR TIME
IS UP. THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR PALACIO.>>COUNCILLOR PALACIO: THANK
YOU, MADAME SPEAKER. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
PRELIMINARY AMENDMENT TO DEPUTY MAYORS BY-LAW MOTION.
IN ESSENCE ASKING CITY STAFF TO REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL ON
SECOND QUARTER OF 2018. I DID SPEAK TO THEM AND THEY
ARE OKAY WITH THAT. I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THE
CONDITIONS AND SPEAKER AND I THINK THAT — THAT EVERY TIME
THAT WE ARE GETTING THESE REPORTS TO CITY COUNCIL WE’RE
GETTING ONE STEP CLOSER AND EVERY STEP THAT WE TAKE WE’RE
GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THE FINISHING LINE.
FOR ME, FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT I REPRESENT, THIS WOULD BE A
DREAM COME TRUE BECAUSE WE’VE BEEN WAITING FOR TOO LONG FOR
THIS TO HAPPEN. THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS
INCLUSIVE RIGHT IN ST. CLAIRE HE LEFT A LOT TO BE DECIDED.
I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR YEARS TO CORRECT THE WRONGS THAT WAS
DONE WITH THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION.
AND AT THIS POINT, I THINK THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT THE STATUS QUO
QUO. ANY MORE.
SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. WE’RE LOSING BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS IN PRODUCTIVITY AS WELL AS BECAUSE OF THE YEARS OF
ACTION POLITICAL INDECISION. POLITICAL INERTIA IN THE LACK
OF FUNDING AND ON THAT I REALLY WANT TO GIVE CREDIT TO MAYOR
TORY FOR HIS GREAT APPROACH ON THE TRANSIT FILE.
FOR HIS APPROACH ON THIS AND TRANSITION WHICH MAKES A LOT OF
SENSE. MAYOR TORY DESERVES CREDIT
BECAUSE HE’S BEING ABLE TO BRING MANY OF US TOGETHER.
HE’S BEING ABLE TO BRING ALL THE LEVELS HAVE LEVELS OF
GOVERNMENT WHEN HE COMES AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NO ONE
HAS EVER DONE IT BEFORE. SO PRAISE SHOULD BE GIVEN WHERE
IT SHOULD. LOCALLY, WE HAVE ONE WITH A
WORSE BOTTLENECKS IN THE CITY OF TORONTO.
I’M PREPARING TO THAT SECTION FROM ST. CLAIRE ALL THE WAY
WEST. AN AREA IF YOU ARE THERE — YOU
DARE TO DRIVE THERE YOU’RE INCHING FORWARD BUMPER TO BUMP
BUMPER CONGESTION THERE. WHICH IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO
NAVIGATE FOR THOSE OF US THAT WE HAVE TO WALK THROUGH THAT
EVERY SINGLE DAY. THE RIGHT THE WAY IT WAS
CONSTRUCTED YOU KNOW WE SPEND OVER $160 MILLION IN THAT
PROJECT AND I’M NOT ARGUING IN TERMS OF EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO
WAIT. BUT THAT PROJECT LEADS TO NO
WHERE. IT GOES FROM POINT A TO POINT B A LOOP.
NOTHING MORE THAN THAT. BUT THIS SAME THING WITH
ST. CLAIRE IS ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL BECAUSE
THAT IS BRINGING ALL THE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC
TRANSIT FROM DIFFERENT ROUTES. IT IS GOING TO BE ONE WITH A
MAJOR TRANSPORTATION IN THE WEST END OF THE CITY.
AND THAT IS BRINGING GOOD NEW. THAT IS BRINGING INVESTMENT TO
THE AREA. THE NUMBER OF INVESTORS COMING
TO THE AREA IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.
THAT IS GOOD. IT IS GOING TO BE GOOD FOR
DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC RENEWAL, REVITALIZATION EMPLOYMENT.
ALL OF THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
SO>>MADAME SPEAKER: AND MEMBERS
OF COUNCIL, I THINK THESE REPORTS THE RECOMMENDATIONS
THAT I REPORT AS — IT IS — THEY ARE BEYOND YOU AND I THINK
WHAT CITY COUNCIL IS DOING IS DOING THE RIGHT THING.
AND I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE BEFORE
US OF COURSE THAT IS THE MOTION THAT MY DEAR COLLEAGUE BEFORE
BROUGHT FORWARD AS WELL AS THE REPORTING RECOMMENDATIONS FROM
MY DEAR CLAWL COLLEAGUES COLLEAGUE COLLEAGUES BECAUSE
WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG IS LONG OVERDUE AS WELL.
THANK YOU.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR COLLE.
>>COUNCELLOR COLLE: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAME SPEAKER.
I’LL BE BRIEF. NOT AS BRIEF AS MY COUNSELLOR
COUNCILLOR CRESSY BUT I’LL JUST SAY IF WE COULD JUST — LET’S
PUT EGLINTON ASIDE FOR A MOMENT AND TAKE A DEEP BREATH ON
SMARTTRACK OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
MAYBE IT IS THE BRANDING THAT HAS SOME PEOPLE DISTRESSED IN
THIS ROOM. IF ANYONE SAID TO YOU, YOU KNOW
THOSE GOLD LINE THAT RUN THROUGH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD YOU
CANNOT USE THAT TRANSIT SERVICE SERVICE.
YOU CANNOT GET ON. IT IS GOING TO RUN THROUGH YOUR
NEIGHBORHOOD AND CREATE NOISE AND ALL THE INCONVENIENCES YOU
DON’T WANT AND YOU CANNOT USE THAT TRANSIT.
LET’S MAKE IT MORE FREQUENT SERVICE A LOCAL SERVICE.
LET’S ADD STATIONS SO YOU CAN TAKE A TTC BUS OR DRIVE OR WALK
TO THAT RAPID TRANSIT. IF THAT WAS IN FRONT OF US
WITHOUT MAYBE THE BRANDING OF A CERTAIN MAILER T CANADA OR
SOMETHING YOU DIDN’T LIKE OR IF YOU WERE NOT ON THAT SIDE I
THINK EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM AND MOST PEOPLE IN THE CITY WOULD
SAY THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. WHY HAVEN’T THEY DONE THAT
YEARS A THE TRACK THERE IS AND WE WANT THE ABILITY TO USE THAT
RAPID TRANSIT SERVICE TO GET AROUND OUR CITY AND DOWNTOWN
AND HOME. THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN IN FRONT
OF US AND BEFORE US MANY TIMES BEFORE. A MOMENT HERE WE HAVE
TO CONTINUE TO ADVANCE THAT WORK.
WE HAVE A PROVINCIAL PARTNERS WHO SEES THE WISDOM UTILIZING
AT SETS THIS WAY. LEVERAGINING THE TRACK THAT IS
IN THE GROUND TO MAKE SURE MORE PEOPLE CAN GET AROUND THE CITY
BY TRANSIT NOT IN THEIR CARS. WE HAVE A PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT
DOING THE WORK. TRACK WORK IS HAPPENING RIGHT
NOW. THEY’RE WILLING TO GIVE THE
FUNDING COMMITMENT. WE HAVE A PLAN IN FRONT OF THAT
YOU SAY ADVANCES THAT VISION AND MAKE SURE WE CAN USE AT
SETS. USE THE GO NETWORK TO GET
AROUND THE CITY. LET’S ADVANCE THE
RECOMMENDATIONS IN FRONT OF US SO WE CAN BEGIN TO DO THAT.
WE’RE NOT JUST AGAIN TALKING AND DEBATEING ABOUT TRANSIT ENDS
ENDSLY BUT BUILDING IT AND GETTING PEOPLE MOVING MORE
QUICKLY THROUGH THE CITY. THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR KELLY.
>>COUNCILLOR KELLY: THANK YOU YOU, SPEAKER.
JUST A FEW OBSERVATIONS. THIS DEBATE SEEMS AWFULLY
RIGHT-WING IN THEIR APPROACH. ITS COSTS, COSTS, COSTS.
AND THOSE WHO ARE TO THE RIGHT OF CENTER ARE LOOKING AT THIS
THROUGH THE LENS OF SOCIAL OR GEOGRAPHIC EQUITY.
AND SPEAKER, MY TAKE ON THIS IS THAT THIS CITY HAS EXPERIENCED
A REMARKABLE REMARKABLE TRANSFORMATION OVER THE LAST
COUPLE OF DECADES DECADES. I THINK THAT WE’RE POISEED TO
BECOME ONE OF THE PREMIER CITIES OF THIS WORLD.
BUT TO GET THERE AMONG OTHER THINGS, YOU HAVE TO — YOU HAVE
TO PRESENT TO THE HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE FLOCKING TO THIS CITY.
YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEIR — TO
MAXIMIZE THEIR CONTRIBUTION TO THE LIFE OF THE CITY AND THAT MEANS TO THE HUGE IMMIGRANT
POPULATIONS TO THE WEST AND NORTH ENDS THE ABILITY TO
ACCESS RAPID TRANSPORTATION. SO SPEAKER I SUPPORT ANY
OPPORTUNITY THAT RECEIPTS AS MUCH RAPID TRANSIT AS QUICKLY
AS POSSIBLE. I HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING IN
THESE DATES FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
YOU KNOW, SPEAKER, IF WE HAD BUILT SOME OF THOSE LINES WHEN
THEY WERE ORIGINALLY .
I CAN’T SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT TAKE AS WAIT STATIONS.
THEY’RE A HALF A KILL ROMTER APART AND HAVE REDUCED SERVICE
THAT LIVE IN THE AREA THAT I REPRESENT.
AND FINALLY THE SECTION OF THE LRT THAT IS WEST OF HIGHWAY 427
HAS NOT BEEN CONTAIN CHUS. IT IS THE SECTION BETWEEN 427
AND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN YORK AND SCARLET THAT IS THE LATTER
PORTION. THAT IS A LARGE PART IN THE
ORIGINAL TUNNELING CALCULATION HAS BEEN DEEMED BY THE
COMMUNITY AS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT RUNS
LONG THE SIDE OF THE 401. BUT I WANT TO TAKE US BACK TO A
DARK AND STORMY NIGHT ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
AND THAT WAS THE FIRST CONSULTATION THAT I WENT TO
WITH SOME OF THE COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS.
IT LITERALLY WAS A DARK AND STORMY NIGHT.
THAT IS WHERE WE APPROVED ARRIVED AND WE WERE TOLD BY THE
FIRST TIME BY STAFF THAT WE HAVE DONE SOME CALCULATIONS.
THE CITY HAS DONE SOME CALCULATIONS AND WE FIGURED OUT
HOW MUCH IT COST TO DO THE GRADE SEPARATIONS ASKED IN THE
REPORT YOUR TIME IS NOT WORTH
THAT MUCH. YOU CAN IMAGINE THE LOOK ON THE
FACES OF EVERYONE IN THE ROOM. PEOPLE WERE VERY FRUSTRATED AND
THEY SAW SOMETHING THAT LOOKED LIKE THIS OF A GRADE SEPARATION
SEPARATION. I GUESS THE INITIAL REACTION
THERE WAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF CARS ALL THE CARS HAVE BEEN DRAWN IN
HERE. THERE TH IS LIKE 6:00 A.M. ON A
SUNDAY MORNING BUT WHAT WE ACTUALLY KNOW IS WHAT IS SHOWN
ON OUR OWN VERY OWN WEB PAGE. THIS IS SOMETHING MORE LIKE
EGLINTON IS ALL ABOUT TODAY. AND YOU UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE
ARE REALLY, REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THIS. THIS PROMISES AND IT SAYS ON ON
THE REPORT IT DISRUPTS THE TRAFFIC ON EGLINTON.
NOT THE ONLY ONE BUT WHY IS THAT A BIGGER ISSUE?
I THINK THEY’RE GOING TO TAKE ISSUE TO SOME OF THE
COUNCILLORS HERE THAT SAID WEL WELL, YOU KNOW, BUILD THIS.
PEOPLE CAN TAKE TRANSIT AND GO ELSE WHERE. EXPLAIN THIS TO
EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. THE INTERSECTION OF HIGHWAY 401
AND 47 AND ESSENTIALLY YOU GET THE HIGHWAY THAT EMPTY OUT ON
TO AN OFF RAMP ON TO EGLINTON AVENUE.
AND EGLINTON AFTERNOON WAS ORIGINALLY THOUGHT TO BE AN
EXPRESSWAY BUT NEVER BUILT THAT WAY.
GUESS WHAT, TODAY IT BEHAVES LIKE THAT.
ALL OF THESE CARS EXIT THESE HIGHWAY RAMPS AND THEY BEGIN TO
DISTRIBUTE ALONG THIS SPINE OF EGLINTON.
AND THEY GO OUT WARDS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS THE CARS DISTRIBUTING THROUGH THE NETWORK OF OUR
HIERARCHY OF ROADS. THIS HIGHWAY SYSTEM DOESN’T
CONNECT YOU TO THE BLOCK AWAY. IT CONNECTS YOU TO DESTINATIONS
IN THE GTA. TO OAKVILLE, TO BRAMPTON AND
HAMILTON AND PLACES FURTHER ON. SO SIMPLY SAYING TAKE TRANSIT.
THIS IS A GREAT ALTERNATIVE. I’M SORRY THE EGLINTON LRT IS
NOT GOING WHERE SOMEONE IS WORK WORKING THAT DAY.
A LITTLE IS IS A GATEWAY FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO AND COME AWAY
FROM DESTINATIONS IN THE GTA AND GET BACK TO THEIR HOMES IN
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD USING THE HIERARCHY OF STREETS.
I THINK THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE VERY, VERY UPSET
ABOUT THIS. AT THAT DARK AND STORMY MEETING
WE BEGIN TO ASK QUESTIONS. MYSELF INCLUDEED ABOUT HOW DID
YOU MAKE THESE CANCELLATIONS? HOW DID CALCULATIONS, DETERMINE
THE AMOUNT OF TIME. HOW DID THE TRAFFIC MODELING
WORK AND WE GOT THESE SHORT ANSWERS, TRUST US WE HAVE THESE
ALGORITHMS ALGORITHMS AND IT WAS A BLACK BOX.
THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE SMART PROFESSIONALS
OBJECTED TO THIS. THEY SAID WE WANT TO SEE THE
DETAIL. WE DON’T BELIEVE YOU.
WE THINK THAT WE CAN ADD SOME IDEAS TO THAT.
SO ALL THIS MOTION DOES IS GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY, THIS WORKING
GROUP, IS TO GET INTO THE DETAILS AND PERHAPS FIND AND
SEE IF THERE IS A BETTER WAY OR ALL OF THE DETAILS HAVE BEEN
COVERED AND ESSENTIALLY RESTORE SOME OF THE PUBLIC CONFIDENCE
THAT HAS BEEN BROKEN IN THIS PROCESS.
I THINK THAT WE OWE TO IT THEM. IT IS A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR
PROJECT. TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO BRING
PEOPLE LONG WITH THE PLANNING AND SEE IF THERE IS SOME GREAT
IDEAS THAT MIGHT COME FROM THAT COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR DI GIORGIO.
>>COUNCILLOR DI GIORGIO: THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER.
I WILL BE VERY BRIEF. I WANT TO ECHO THE COMMENTS OF
THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT IS
IMPORTANT THAT NOTWITHSTANDING WHAT YOU FEEL ABOUT TUNNELING
ON A WIDE STREET LIKE EGLINTON, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE
ALLOW THE OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA TO HAVE
SOME INPUT AND TO ARRIVE AT A CONCLUSION THAT IS LIKELY TO BE
THE RIGHT CONCLUSION. ONCE EVERYBODY HAS SOME INPUT.
I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS TO WORK WITH
METROLINX AND I FIND THAT THEY’RE VERY GOOD T TO WORK
WITH. DOING CENT WORK NOT ONLY ON THE
LRT BUT SOME OF THE REAL LINES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TO BE
WIDENED AND THEN ELECTRIFYING OF TRAINS.
THERE HAS BEEN ALL SORTS OF MEETINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN
MY AREA THAT CREATES SOME PROBLEMS FOR RESIDENTS BUT THE
NATURE OF THE CONSULTATION AND THE QUALITY OF THE CONSULTATION
THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON LEADS ME TO SUPPORT WHAT METROLINX IS
DOING AND I THINK HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY WILL BE HAPPY WITH
WHAT HAPPENS ON EGLINTON IN THE LONG TERM.
THANK YOU.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU. OKAY.
SO THAT’S IT FOR THE SPEAKERS. MAYOR TORY, LAST.
>>MAYOR TORY: MADAME SPEAKER THANK YOU.
I WANT TO THANK ALL THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL FOR POSTURE
PARTICIPATING IN THE DEBATE. I HAVE NO MOTIONS BUT I WANT TO
COMMENT ON SOME OF THE MOTIONS THAT ARE BEFORE US.
I WILL BE SUPPORTING COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS MOTION BECAUSE I
THINK IT IS FAIR TO EXAM OPPORTUNITIES TO SEE ABOUT WHAT
PARKING OPTIONS ARE. I WILL BE SUPPORTING COUNCILLOR
PERKS MOTION WITH RESPECT TO U UPDATING THE FUNDING AND
FINANCING OPTIONS FOR THE CITY FOR SMARTTRACK.
AGAIN I WOULD SAY IN COMMENTING ON THAT I TAKE A MUCH MORE
OPTIMISTIC ATTITUDE BASED ON THE FACTS WHAT IS INCLUDED IN
OUR 10 YEAR PLAN WITH RESPECT TO BOTH SMARTTRACK AND
OBJECTIONS IN THAT REGARD ON THE STATIONS AND ALSO THE
EGLINTON WEST LRT FOR THAT MATTER AND ITS PRESENT PROPOSED
FORM. BUT HAVING SAID THAT I’M HAPPY
TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS UPDATED. I’LL SUPPORT COUNCILLORS BY-LA
BY-LAWS AND I THINK IT IS A SENSEIBLE TIME DOING DESIGN
WORK ON ST. CLAIRE AND WESTON SMARTTRACK TO LOOK AT HOW WE
CAN INTEGRATE SOME OF THE THINGS TOGETHER.
I SUPPORT COUNCILLOR DAVIS MOTION WITH RESPECT TO UPDATING
RIDERSHIP PROJECTIONS IN THE SECOND QUARTER OF THE 2018
REPORT. AND SUPPORTING HER MOTION WITH
RESPECT TO THE USE OF CITY STAFF AND FINALLY SUPPORTING
COUNCILLOR PALACIO’S AMENDMENT TO MOTION SIX.
WHAT I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING IS MOTION THAT SEEK TO REMOVE
WHAT I THINK IS NOT WITHSTAND WITHSTANDING SOME OF THE
COMMENTS I HEARD HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT THE EXAMINATION OF
OPTIONS GRADE SEPARATION OR TUNNELING WITH RESPECT TO THE
EGLINTON WEST LRT. IT IS NOT AS SOME PEOPLE
SUGGESTED A DETOUR OR DELAY. IT IS WORK THAT CAN BE DONE.
SHOULD BE DONE I THINK IN RESPONSE TO — THERE IS NO
POINT IN GOING OUT AND HAVING PUBLIC CONSULTATION YOU PAY
ABSOLUTELY NO ATTENTION WHAT YOU HEARD AND EXPRESS A WILLING
WILLINGNESS TO CONSULT WITH PEOPLE IN THAT REGARD.
AND SO IN THAT SENSE I HAVE NO TROUBLE AT ALL.
IN FACT I SUPPORT AT EXECUTIVE MEETING AND SUPPORT IT AND I
SUPPORT HERE THE NOTION THAT WE’LL DO THAT WORK AND WILL NOT
BE A DELAY. WE’LL BE RESPONSIVE TO THE
PEOPLE THAT WE REPRESENT ALL OF US COLLECTIVELY SOME OF MY
COLLEAGUES FROM ETOBIOCOKE. I WANT TO ADDRESS MYSELF A
MINUTE TO MART TRACK I DID THIS MORNING WITH THE MEDIA.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO REPEAT THIS. THE GO TRAIN
CORRIDORS THROUGH CORRIDORS THROUGH THE CITY OF TORONTO.
THERE ARE SOME THAT INSIST EVERY DAY PLAYING PAUL TICKS
BUT THE GO TRAIN CORRIDORS THROUGH THE CITY OF TORONTO
WERE USED EXCLUSIVELY BEFORE MY ARRIVAL TO OFFICE TO TRANSPORT
PEOPLE FROM THE 905 INTO THE CITY AND BACK OUT AT THE END OF
THE DAY. VERYLITTLE USE OF THOSE
CORRIDORS AS STRATEGICALLY LOCATED IN THE CITY TO MOVE
PEOPLE INSIDE THE CITY OF TORONTO.
SMARTTRACK WAS PUT FORWARD AND ADMITTEDLY IT WAS PUT FORWARD
WITHOUT A LOT OF EXPERT ADVICE AND ENGINEERS AND ALL THOSE
THINGS YOU DON’T HAVE ACCESS TO DURING ELECTION CAMPAIGN BUT
PUT TOGETHER ON THE FOUNDATION OF THE GO RER UNDERTAKING THAT
THE PROVINCE HAD ANNOUNCED. FRANKLY SMARTTRACK WOULD BE
DIFFICULT TO DO IF THEY WERE NOT DOING THE ELECTRIFICATION
ON THE REST OF THE LINES AND WHAT NOT.
I WILL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT AS WELL.
SINCE ITS ORIGINAL CONCEPT ESPECIALLY IN THE CONTEXT OF
THE WESTERN PART OF IT BASED ON SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT
CAME BACK TO US ONCE WE HAD THOSE EXPERTS EMPLOYED,
SMARTTRACK IS NOT EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT WAS PUT FORWARD.
WHAT IS A REALITY. THIS IS WHEN IT IS DONE AND I’M NOT
SAYING IF IT IS DONE BUT WHEN IT IS DONE BECAUSE I’M
CONFIDENT IT IS GOING TO PASS THROUGH EACH OF THE STAGE GATES
WHICH THIS IS ANOTHER ONE, WHEN IT IS DONE, IT WILL PROVIDE 24
STATIONS ALONG ITS ROUTE. IT WILL PROVIDE TRANSIT THAT
DID NOT EXIST IN THE CITY OF TORONTO BEFORE. IT WILL PROVIDE
AN OPTION THAT WILL MOVE AT THAT PEOPLE AROUND THE CITY
THAT DIDN’T EXIST BEFORE APPEARED FRANKLY WASN’T EVEN IN
THE APPLICATION CONTEMPLATION OF ANY PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL.
IT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT. THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS WE’RE
ACTUALLY SETTLING DOWN AS A COUNCIL WITH LOTS OF SUPPORT
AROUND THIS CHAIRMANBER TO MOVE IT FORWARD AND TO DO IT AND YES
TO SAY THROUGH THE SPEAKER TO COUNCILLOR PERKS IT IS GOING TO
GET DONE. IT IS GOING TO GET DONE SOONER
NOT BECAUSE WE PLACED IT AHEAD OR BEHIND ON THE LIST BUT
BECAUSE THE TIME THAT IT HAS TAKEN TO GET SMARTTRACK DONE
AND OPERATING IS JUST GOING TO BE LESS GIVEN THE NATURE YOU
DON’T HAVE TO DIG AND DO THIS AND DON’T HAVE TO DO THAT IN A
LARGE PORTION OF THE TRACKS ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.
SO I SAY AGAIN AS I’VE SAID WITH RESPECT TO OTHER PROJECTS
THAT PEOPLE WANT US TO MOVE FORWARD.
THEY WANT TO US MOVE FORWARD IN A REASONABLE, RESPONSIBLE WAY
AS WE ARE DOING. YOU’VE HEARD ME SAY TODAY SOME
OF THESE MOTIONS MOVED TO U UPDATE ON VARIOUS THINGS.
I’M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS UPDATED.
THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING HERE.
ON THE PRINCIPLE OF WHETHER SMARTTRACK IS MOVING FORWARD OR
SHOULD MOVE FORWARD OR SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO ADD
MATERIALLY TO THE TRANSIT OPTIONS TO MOVE PEOPLE THROUGH
THE CITY USING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS THERE AND BEEN THERE
FOR MANY CASES IT IS TIME TO GET ON AND BUILD SMARTTRACK.
TIME TO BE POSITIVE TO VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE I THINK IT IS
SOMETHING THAT IS NOT. SOMEBODY SAID USE THE
EXPRESSION LEGACY. YOU KNOW WHAT THE LEGACY IS FOR
FOR, FOR THIS CITY COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY STOP WITH THE PATTERN
OF DEBATEING AND REDEBATEING AND REDECIDING AND DOING ONE
PROJECT AT A TIME OR NO PROJECTS AT ALL ACTUALLY MOVE
FORWARD WITH ONE. IN FACT AN ENTIRE NETWORK PLAN
THAT WE PUT FORWARD AND APPROVED AS A COUNCIL AND THIS
TIME SHOW WE’RE CAPABLE OF DOING.
THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
COUNCELLOR MAMMOLITI, QUESTION TO THE MAYOR?
>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI: IT REALLY IS MY COMMENTS ABOUT
LEGACY, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT. I SAY THAT WITH THE MOST
RESPECT TO YOU, MR. MAYOR. BUT I GUESS I’M STANDING UP
HERE THINKING THAT THE VOICE OF SOME IN SCARBOROUGH NEEDS TO BE
HEARD AS WELL. SOME OF THEM THERE ARE SAYING
TO SOME OF US THAT IT WASN’T UNTIL THIS PLAN OF YOURS WAS
BORN THAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR THE SUBWAY OUT THERE WAS NIXED.
THIS IS A FRUSTRATION THERE THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE
ADDRESSED. I GUESS THE QUESTION TO YOU IS,
HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT TO THOSE THAT WERE WAITING FOR THE
SCARBOROUGH SUBWAY AND BECAUSE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT
THEY’RE NOT GETTING IT. AT LEAST NOT THE WAY THEY WANT.
>>MAYOR TORY: FIRST OF ALL I DON’T MAKE THE CONNECTION
MADAME SPEAKER TO THE COUNCI COUNCILLOR I DON’T MAKE THE
CONNECTION YOU MAKE BECAUSE SMARTTRACK IS IN EXISTENCE
SOMEHOW SOME OTHER PROJECT IS CHANGED OR WILL NOT HAPPEN AT
ALL. I WOULD SAY FOR YOU WHAT WE
HAVE FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER PEOPLE SHOULD TAKE GREAT HEART.
WE HAVE A SCARBOROUGH NETWORK TRANSIT PLAN.
IT CONSISTS YES OF SMARTTRACK WHICH IS GOING TO PROVIDE NEW
STATIONS AND TRANSIT SERVICE USING GO TRAIN TRACKS FOR THE
PEOPLE OF SCARBOROUGH. SNIFFING AT FINCH AND KENNEDY
AND LAWRENCE AND KENTUCKY DIFFERENT PROVIDE FOR LRT
EGLINTON EAST WHICH IS GOING TO SERVE THE U AT T CAMPUS AND
SERVE THE MALBURN COMMUNITY AND THAT IS GOING TO PROCEED AHEAD.
FINALLY YOU HAVE THE THE SUBWAY EXTENSION.
I STAND BEHIND AND NOTICE WITH INTEREST THE POLITICAL
CONSENSUS IS GOING TO RECREATE AND REPRESENT ITSELF AND YOU
HAVE MR. BROWN NOT ONLY SAYING HE WILL COMMIT HIMSELF TO THE
SCARBOROUGH SUBWAY BUT PICK UP OUR SHARE OF THE COST IF HE
BECOMES THE PREMIER OF ONTARIO. I JUST SAY PEOPLE IN
SCARBOROUGH ARE GETTING A LOT MORE TRANSIT THAN THEY HAVE
TODAY AND A LOT MORE WHEN THEY HAVE HAD PREVIOUS SUBWAY OR LRT
STANDING ALONE. DIDN’T HAVE THE LRT WITH THE
SUBWAY AND DIDN’T HAVE SMARTTRACK A LOT MORE TRANSIT.
>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI: BEFORE SMARTTRACK THEY WERE
GETTING THE SUBWAY AND THEY WERE HAPPY WITH.
THAT IN FACT SCARBOROUGH WAS ESTATIC THEY WERE GETTING WHAT
THEY HAVE BEEN LONG WAITING AND TO IT WAS NOT UNTIL THIS
PARTICULAR PLAN THAT OTHER PLAN WAS 96ED.
THERE IS ONLY ONE STOP AND NOW WE’RE ABOUT TO TO VERY
INFURSPENDING THREE OR $4 BILLION FOR THAT ONE STOP.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT PART OF THE EQUATION ISN’T GOING TO
SURFACE AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER ANOTHER, SOME PERK PERK OR
COUNCILLOR MATLOW THAT IS GOING TO BRING UP THE COST LATER AND
THAT MAY BE 96ED AS WELL BECAUSE OF THIS?
>>MAYOR TORY: I’M SAYING MADAME SPEAKER TO THE COUNCI
COUNCILLOR WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS WE’RE GOING TO BE
BETTER OFF WITH THE EXTENSION INTO CZAR BECAUSE WE HAVE
POLITICAL PARTY FROM THE ELECTION TO COME THAT IS
INDICATED THEY’RE GOING TO DO BETTER FOR THE CITY OF TORONTO
IN THAT REGARD AND I EXPECT OTHERS WILLFALL FOLLOW AND I
DON’T KNOW WHERE WE’LL END UP BUT I’LL SAY THIS.
WE’RE GOING TO END UP WITH THE SCARBOROUGH NETWORK TRANSIT
PLAN, SUBWAY EXTENSION, LRT AND SMARTTRACK WITH THEM HAVING
MORE EXTENSIONS TO THE CITY AND TODAY THEY HAVE NO HIGHER ORDER
TRANSIT AT ALL. THAT AND IN PARTICULAR THE SUB
SUBWAY EXTENSION WILL BE A MAGNET FOR JOBS AND INVESTMENT
FOR SCARBOROUGH. THEY NEED JOBS OUT THERE.
WE WANT JOBS OUT THERE. THERE HAVE BEEN NO COMMERCIAL
BUILDINGS THROUGHOUT FOR A LONG TIME.
THERE WASN’T BEEN AN ADEQUATE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL BUILDING
SO PEOPLE CAN WORK AND LIVE IN SCARBOROUGH AND NOT FEEL LIKE
THOUGH COME DOWNTOWN. THIS NETWORK TRANSIT PLAN FOR
SCARBOROUGH IS GOING TO DELIVER THAT TRANSFOR IT THEM TO MAKE
SURE THEY ARE EQUAL PLAYERS IN THE CITY OF TORONTO FOR JOBS
AND INVESTMENT. GUILTY WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO
THOSE IN T ETOBIOCOKE THAT HAVE BEEN TREATED LIKE A VOLLEYBALL
FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS WITH RESPECT TO EGLINTON AVENUE IN
THEY FINALLY GOT A COMMITMENT BY THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION
AND THE ONE BEFORE THAT TO TUNNEL ALONG EGLINTON AVENUE
AND NOW FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A NUMBER OF YEARS THEY’RE HEARING
YET AGAIN THAT THEY’RE NOT GOING TO GET THE TUNNELING AND
THEY HAVE TO SETTLING FOR AN ABOVE GROUND LRT.
IT JUST SEEMS TO BE AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE’RE APPROVING THE
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT ARE GOING TO GO INTO THIS NEW LINE.
THE REST OF THE CITY ISN’T GETTING WHAT THEY WANT IN THE
WAY OF FAIR TRANSPORTATION.>>MAYOR TORY: I WOULD SAY TO
THE MEMBER.>>MADAME SPEAKER: LAST
QUESTION.>>MAYOR TORY: HE’S BARKING UP
THE WRONG TREE HERE BECAUSE I’M THE ONE THAT STOOD HERE ASKED
THE EXECUTIVE MEETING TO LOOK AT TUNNELING.
IF YOU’RE SAYING SOMETHING I’M DOING IS TAKING TUNNELING AWAY,
THE ITEMING WAS NEVER THERE BUT I’M READY TO LOOK AT THAT AND
I’M STANDING NEXT TO MADAME SPEAKER THE MAN THAT SAYS
PLEASE DON’T GIVE US AN LRT ON FINCH AVENUE AND THAT IS NORTH
OF ETOBIOCOKE GOING TO COLLEGE. AT THE END OF THE DAY WE’RE
BUILDING OR METROLINX IS BUILDING WITH OUR SUPPORT THE
TRANSIT LINE ALONG FINCH AND WE’RE LOOKING FOR TUNNELING
ALONG EGLINTON SO YOU SHOULD BE A HAPPY MAN I WOULD SAY TO THE
SPEAKER. MADAME SPEAKER THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.>>MADAME SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR
MATLOW, QUESTION?>>COUNCILLOR MATALOW: MADAME
SPEAKER TO THE MAYOR. YOU PROMISED ALONG WITH COUNT
COUNTLESS DEBATES AND LAWN SIGNS SOMETHING CALLED
SMARTTRACK. YOU SAID IT WAS GOING TO HAVE
22 STATION. YOU PROMISEED CONSISTENTLY THAT
IT WOULD BE BUILT IN SEVEN YEARS.
YOU PROMISEED CONSISTENTLY THAT IT WOULD BE FULLY FUNDED BY TIF
TIF. WHEN YOUR OPPONENTS EVEN
QUESTIONED THE LOGIC OF HEAVY RAIL ON THE SOUTHWESTERN SPUR
YOU DERIDEED THEM AND TOLD THEM THEY WERE DEBBIE DOWNERS AND
JUST LIKE YOU SAID TODAY JUST BE POSITIVE DON’T BE A DEBBIE
DOWNER BE POSITIVE AND BELIEVE ME.
YOU’VE ALSO CONSISTENTLY VOTED AND SPOKEN AGAINST ANY OPTION
TO LOOK AT FACTS WHEN CONSIDERING THE SCARBOROUGH
SUBWAY. WHY SHOULD PEOPLE AT ETOBIOCOKE
OR SCARBOROUGH BELIEVE YOU TODAY WHEN YOU SAY THIS IS A
GOOD PLAN FOR THEM AND YOU SAY THIS IS GOING TO BE FULLY FUND
FUNDED AND YOU SAY FOR EXAMPLE WE SHOULD MOVE AHEAD WITH
LAWRENCE EACH EVEN THOUGH THE EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THAT IT NEEDS
TO BE REVIEWED. WHY SHOULD ANYONE BELIEVE
ANYTHING YOU SAY –>>MADAME SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR
MATLOW ALLOW THE MAYOR TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
>>MAYOR TORY: I’M HAPPY HE CAN GO ON.
MADAME SPEAKER, IS THAT YOUR QUESTION?
>>YES IT IS.>>MAYOR TORY: I THANK YOU FOR
THE QUESTION. I REGRET THE FACT YOU HAVE TO
IMPLY I’M NOT TELLING THE TRUTH OR TRYING TO MISLEAD PEOPLE
THAT IS UNFORTUNATE AND NOT NECESSARY AND FRANKLY SOME
OTHER PLACES THAT KIND OF THING WOULD PROBABLY BE RULED OUT OF
ORDER. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I WOULD
JUST SAY TO YOU I STOOD HERE NOT FIVE MINUTES AGO AND SAID
THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER THAT SMARTTRACK IS NOT EXACTLY IN
THE FORM IT WAS PRESENTED. I SAID THAT.
I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. BUT WHAT I ALSO SAID AND IN
FACT YOU’RE RIGHT. THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE 22
STATIONS WHEN YOU ADD IN THE STATIONS WITH THE LRT AS
PRESENTLY PROPOSED IT IS GOING TO BE 24.
24 STATIONS ON SMARTTRACK. SO IT IS TWO MORE THAN WE
TALKED ABOUT AND I WOULD SAY ANOTHER THING THAT THE
SCARBOROUGH NETWORK TRANSIT PLAN WHICH WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER
AND APPROVED AS A COUNCIL THAT INCLUDES THE SCARBOROUGH DAN
FORTH SUBWAY EXTENSION, THE LRT AND SMARTTRACK ACTUALLY WILL
ADD MORE TRANSIT STATIONS BECAUSE BECAUSE I DIDN’T COUNT
THEM UP. MORE NEW TRANSIT STATIONS PLUS
MORE THAN WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE HISTORY OF TORONTO.
THAT IS BECAUSE UNLIKE PREVIOUS COUNCILS WE DID NOT FOCUS ON
JUST ONE. WE DEVELOPED AND PROVED THE
COUNCIL. I KNOW IT IS DIFFICULT I SAID
TO THE MEMBER TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE
COUNCIL ON REPEATED OCCASIONS HAS APPROVED THE TRANSIT PLANS
THAT WE’RE HERE DEBATING TODAY.
SMARTTRACK, THE SCARBOROUGH LRT AND DANFORTH SUBWAY EXTENSION
BUT THE FACT IS THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED AND WE KEEP HAVING THE
VOTES AS NECESSARY. HAVE A COUPLE MORE THAT ARE
REALLY ELECTRO GIN HORSES FOR THE SAME THING.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY I’M HEARTENED BY THE FACT THAT ALL
THREE LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT, ALL THREE, THAT ALL THAT EVERY
OFFICIAL EXEMPT ONE HAVE GONE LONG WITH AND SUPPORTED THE
NETWORK PLAN FOR SCARBOROUGH THAT HAS BEEN PUT FORWARD AND
THE PRIORITY LIST THAT WE PUT FORWARD FOR THE CITY OF TORONTO
TO GET BY THE WAY THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN FUNDING THAT I
HAVE LED THE CHARGE TO GO AND GET.
I HAVEN’T DONE IT ALONE BUT I CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN THE LEADER
IN DOING IT WHICH AGAIN WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT DONE
UNDER PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS SO I SAY TO THE MEMBER THROUGH
YOU MADAME SPEAKER I’M PROUD OF WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS DONE SO
FAR. IT IS GOING TO LEAD TO
INCREDIBLE IMPROVEMENT INSPECTS TRANSIT IN THE CITY IN OUR
LIFETIME FOR A CHANGE AND LEAD TO THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF
JOBS TO BE CREATED IN PLACES LIKE SCARBOROUGH AND I’M NOT
GOING TO PLAY POLITICAL GAMES BUT I’M GOING TO MOVE FORWARD
WITH THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL AND THE OTHER
GOVERNMENTS TO BUILD TRANSIT WHICH IS WHY I WAS SENT HERE.>>WE SHOULD BELIEVE YOU NOW
WHEN YOU SAID WE WOULD HAVE 22 STATUTES.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR MATLOW, THE MAYORER HAS ANSWE
ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.>>COUNCILLOR MATALOW: AND
SPEAKING OF SCARBOROUGH YOU MENTIONED IT.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR MATLOW.
>>COUNCILLOR MATALOW: IF COUNCIL —
>>MADAME SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR MATLOW, PLEASE.
YOU’VE ASKED THAT QUESTION AND THE MAYOR HAS ANSWERED.
DO YOU HAVE A NEW QUESTION? BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE 30
SECONDS.>>COUNCILLOR MATALOW: FOR
TOMORROW’S DEBATE BUT IF COUNCIL IS ASKED WITH RESPECT
TO THE NETWORK YOU’RE REFERRING TO, TO SIMPLY LOOK AT THE FACTS
YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU DIDN’T HAVE ACCESS TO A LOT OF FACTS
WHEN YOU PROMISED THE SMARTTRACK VERBS THAT VERSION
YOU CAME OUT W IF WE ASK THERE BE ACCESS TO THE FACTS ABOUT
THE ONE STOP SUBWAY PROPOSAL AND THE APPROVED SEVEN STOP LRT
AS PART OF THE MASTER AGREEMENT AND WE COMPARE APPLE TO SAY
AMIES WOULD YOU SUPPORT LOOKING AT THE FACTS BEFORE THE
EXPENDITURES OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON TRANSIT?
>>MAYOR TORY: I WOULD SAY THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER TO
THE MEMBER WE HAVE LOOK AT LOTS OF FACTS AND CONTINUE TO LOOK
AT LOTS MORE. I INDICATED A WILLINGNESS TODAY
ON SMART SMART SMART SMART SMART BUT AGAIN I REGRET THE
FACT HE CHOOSES STAND UP IN HERE AND IN AFFECT IMPIEWN MY
CREDIBILITY AND SAY I HAVE TOLD LIE TO SAY THE PEOPLE IN
ONTARIO. YOU JUST USED EVERY —
>>MADAME SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR MATLOW, YOUR TIME IS UP ALLOW
THE MAYOR TO SPEAK.>>MAYOR TORY: I WAS JUST
ANSWERING BEFORE YOU INTERRUPTED ME.
YOU USED EVERY WORD EXEMPT EXCEPT THA THAT.
THAT IS THE STYLE OF POLITICS I DON’T THINK SHOULD HAPPEN IN
THAT CHAMBER AND TILE MOST PEOPLE IN THIS CHAMBER DON’T
FOLLOW ANY MORE IF YOU WISH TO BE THE EXCEPTION SO BE IT
MADAME SPEAKER.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR MATLOW, YOUR TIME WAS UP.
COUNCILLOR LAYTON.>>COUNCILLOR LAYTON: THANK
YOU VERY MUCH. I WAS NOT GOING TO ASK
QUESTIONS BECAUSE ACTUALLY THERE IS A GOOD PORTION OF THE
NOTION OF SMARTTRACK OF RER I SEE SOME AGREEMENT WITH.
IT IS EXECUTION I THINK THAT WILL LOOK DIFFERENT THAN WHAT
YOU HAD PROPOSED IN THE ELECTION.
BUT WHAT I DO AND WHAT WAS CAUSING ME TO STAND HERE IS A
COMMENT YOU JUST MADE NO OTHER ADMINISTRATION BEFORE YOU HAS
WORKED WITH THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT TO —
>>MAYOR TORY: I I DID STAY IN FAIRNESS DID NOT SAY THAT.
>>COUNCILLOR LAYTON: WE CAN RUN THE TAPE BACK.
IF THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU MEANT WE SHOULD CLARIFY IN THE LAST
CITY COUNCIL I WAS NOT PART OF THE ADMINISTRATION BUT I KNOW
SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE WERE AND THEY IN FACT DID THEIR BEST
TO ATTRACT SOME MONEY. I KNOW FOR A FACT WHEN I WAS
NOT CITY COUNCIL THE MILLER ADMINISTRATION DID QUITE WELL
IN GETTING SOME MONEY SOME OF IT WAS RETRACTED.
I’LL GIVE THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE TIME THAT.
THEY TOOK SOME OF IT BACK BUT AT LEAST I WANTED TO MAKE SURE
WE CLARIFY OTHER ADMINISTRATIONS HAVE WORKED
TOWARDS TRYING TO GET THAT MONEY.
>>MAYOR TORY: I’LL SAY TO THE MEMBER WHAT I MEANT TO SAY AND
I THINK I DID BUT HAVING SAID THAT NO POINT REVIEWING THE
TAPE BECAUSE I’LL CLARIFY RIGHT NOW I DON’T THINK THERE IS ANY
ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS DONE MORE AND THAT INCLUDES IN
PARTICULAR THE BRINGING IN ON A CONSISTENT I’LL CALL IT
PERMANENT BASES I HOPE IT IS PERMANENT OF THE GOVERNMENT OF
CANADA TO THE FUNDING OF TRANSIT GOING FORWARD AND I
WILL ACKNOWLEDGE STANDING RIGHT HERE NOW THAT FOR EXAMPLE THE
SUBWAY WE’RE ABOUT TO OPEN IN 10 DAYS TIME IS A SUBWAY THAT
WAS FUNDED BY ALL THREE GOVERNMENTS BUT IT WAS A
PROJECT OF MAYOR DAVID MILLER AND PREPEOPLE DALTON McGETY.
THAT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENEDED IF IT WERE NOT FOR THAT COUNCIL
AND THAT MAYOR AND THERE WAS SOME FEDERAL FUNDING.
THE PROBLEM WITH A LOT OF FUNDING IN THOSE DAYS GONE BY
IT WAS EPISODIC FUNDING ON PROJECT BY PROJECT AND FEDERAL
FEDERALLY YOU KNOW THE EFFORT I WAS SPENDING THIS PAST SUMMER
IT IS NOT CONCLUDEED YET WAS TO GET THE PROVINCE UNDER THE SAME
FOOTING INSTEAD OF ONCE IN A WHILE THERE WOULD BE A PROJECT
ANNOUNCED THEY WOULD FUND. THEY GET INTO A CONSISTENT FUND
FUNDING THAT IDEALLY WOULD BE RELATED TO THE FEDERAL FUNDING
SO WE WOE KNOW AND WE COULD BASE IT ON THE GOVERNMENT THAT
BOTH WOULD PARTICIPATE. DIDN’T I IMPLY THIS WAS THE
ONLY COUNCIL. THERE IS NO COUNCIL THAT HAS
DONE MORE IN ATTRACTING BILLS OF DOLLARS FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT AND I SAID I DIDN’T DO IT ALONE BUT I WAS THE
LEADER IN THE CHARGE AND HAD MORE MEETINGS WITH MORE PEOPLE
FROM THE PRIME PRIME MINISTER ALL THE WAY THROUGH THAN
ANYBODY ELSE.>>I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE
CLARIFICATION BEFORE. THE COUNCILS BEFORE THIS HAVE MADE
END ROADS ATTRACTING FUND FROM OTHER LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AND
BASE FUNDING OUTSIDE OF SINGLE PROJECTS.
JUST WITH THAT CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA. THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION WAS ESSENTIALLY ASKED BY COUNCILLOR LAYTON.
I OFTEN SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO OUR MAYOR TALK ABOUT HOW THIS
CONVERSATION ON TRANSIT HAS JUST BEEN GOING ON FOR FAR TOO
LONG AND NOT MUCH HAS GOTTEN DONE.
AND MY QUESTION TO HIM WAS SIMPLY GOING TO BE ON THE 15TH
OF DECEMBER, THEY’RE GOING TO BE OPENING A NEW, YOU KNOW, SUB
SUBWAY THAT ACTUALLY RUNS FROM, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT DOWNS
DOWNSVILLE STATION ALL THE WAY TO THE VON CORPORATE CENTER.
THAT IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT PROJECT THAT ACTUALLY GOT BUILT
BUILT. IT ISN’T JUST BEING TALKED
ABOUT. CORRECT?
>>MAYOR TORY: MADAME SPEAKER YES IT IS CORRECT BUT I ADD ONE
THING BECAUSE I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO BE HONEST AN
COMPLETE ABOUT THIS. THE DAY AFTER I WAS ELECTED AS MAYOR I
HAD NOT TAKEN OFFICE. I PAID A CUTTER COURTESY CALL
OF THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE TTC.
HE TOLD ME ON THAT DAY THE PROJECT WAS A FIASCO AND
LIKELIHOOD IT WAS GOING TO COST UPWARDS OF $1 BILLION TO FINISH
AND MAYBE FINISHED IN 2019. UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION WITH
THE SUPPORT OF THIS COUNCIL AND CHAIR OF THE TTC AND LEADERSHIP
OF THE CEO OF THE TTC WE FASHIONED A PLAN THAT WAS
DEBATED HERE AND SOMEWHAT CONTROVERSIAL TO BRING SOMEBODY
IN AND TAKE THE MANAGEMENT OF THAT PROJECT OUT OF THE HANDS
OF THOSE THAT WERE MANAGING IT. MAKE SOME INTERNAL EL CHANGES
AT THE TTC AND MOVE FORWARD. IN 2017, NOT 2019, OPENING THAT
SUBWAY WHICH WAS INITIATED BY MAYOR DAVID MILLER AND PREMIER
DALTON McGETY AND PRIME MINISTER WHO WAS IT PAUL MARTI
MARTIN? SO YES THAT WAS DONE.
BUT IT WAS SERGEED CERTAINLY IN A SORRY STATE THE DAY AFTER I
GOT ELECTED.>>YOU OFTEN SAY WE’RE TALKING
ABOUT A TRANSIT PROJECT AND EXPANSION AND NOT GETTING ON
WITH THE WORK. YOU WILL ADMIT THAT THE
EGLINTON AVENUE LRT, A VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT TRANSIT
INITIATIVE IN THIS CITY IS WELL UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND WAS WELL
UNDER CONSTRUCTION PRIOR TO YOU GETTING HERE.
>>MAYOR TORY: AGAIN YOU NEVER HEARD ME DISPUTE THAT FOR A
SECOND. IN FACT YES THAT PROJECT
THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
AGAIN IT WAS A PROJECT I GUESS APPROVED IN TERMS OF FINANCING
UNDER THE ADMINISTRATIONS OF MAYOR DAVID MILLER AND I GUESS
MAYOR FORD AND ALSO PREMIER DALTON McGETY AGAIN.
THAT IS HAPPENING. THE BOTTOM LINE YOUR KIND OF
GOING DOWN THE ROAD THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER WHERE YOU WANT
TO SAY LET’S CONGRATULATE HOW GREAT THOSE PROJECTS WERE AND
SIT BACK AND DO NOTHING. I’M TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE DO
LATER WHAT WAS NOT HAPPENING AT THE TIME THE TWO GREAT PROJECTS
PROJECTS, THE SUBWAY THAT OPENS IN A FEW WEEKS AND EGLINTON
WEST ACROSS TOWN WHAT WAS NOT HAPPENING WAS THE PLANNING IN
ANY MEANINGFUL WAY. EVEN THE RELIEF LINE MUCH
TALKED ABOUT IN THIS CHAMBER MADAME SPEAKER AS THE
PREEMINENT TRANSIT PROJECT HAD NOT PROCEEDED AS FAR AS IT HAS
NOW THANKSS TO THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT IS PUTTING
$150 MILLION INTO IT AND WE PUT IT AS A COUNCIL ON OUR PRIORITY
LIST SO THAT WHEN THE FEDERAL MONEY CAME WE WERE ABLE TO SAY
TO THEM IT WAS A CONDITION OF GETTING FEDERAL OF MONEY
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WE DIDN’T HAVE BEFORE THE RELIEF FUND IS
FUNDING BY THAT MONEY . WHAT I’M SAYING WHEN I GOT HERE
ALONG WITH SOME OTHERS WE HAD THOSE TWO PROJECTS UNDERWAY AND
FULL MARKS TO DAVID MILLER AND ROB FORD AND DALTON McGETY
AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT DESERVES CREDIT.
PAUL MARTIN. THE NUMBER OF THINGS ON THE
BOOKS PLANNED TO GO FORWARD WERE A LOT LESS THAN THE CASE
TODAY. WE NOW HAVE THAT YOU DIDN’T
HAVE BEFORE IS SMARTTRACK, EGLINTON SRT THAT IS GOING TO
MOVE FORWARD AND WESTON LRT THAT IS GOING MOVE FORWARD.
THE PRIORITY LIST THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH AND THE
SCARBOROUGH TRANSIT EXTENSION WHICH WAS A SUBJECT OF ENDLESS
AND E HOTTIVE DEBATES AND FOR SOME REASON CONTINUES TO BE
MUSTIVE AND ENDLESS EVEN THOUGH IT HAS BEEN VOTED ON NINE TIMES
TIMES.>>SO YOU OFTEN SAY THAT WE’RE
ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THESE PROJECTS AND WE NEED TO GET ON
WITH THE WORK AND THE REST OF IT.
YOU WILL ADMIT THAT EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NOT DONE A HECK OF A
LOT ON IT EXCEPT IT SLOWED DOWN A LITTLE BIT, YOU WILL ADMIT
THAT THE FINCH AVENUE WEST LRT RUNNING FROM KIEL STREET TO HUM
HUMBER COLLEGE IS SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERWAY.
A MAJOR NICHEATIVE THAT WAS STARTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL HAS
NOW BEEN TAKEN OVER BY METROLINX.
BUT IT IS ROLLING ALONG. SURELY IT IS A PROJECT WITHOUT
INTERVENTION IS GETTING DONE.>>I WOULDN’T DESCRIBE IT AS
ROLLING ALONG. I WOULDN’T I HAVE MEMBERS SUCH
AS THE ONE SITTING TO MY RIGHT. COUNCILLOR — WHO I THINK WE
SHOULD STOP AND PUT IT IN MOTHBALLS BUT I SAY TO YOU I
REPEAT WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER.
YES THOSE PROGRAMS WERE ON THEIR BOOKS FOR A LONG TIME.
FOR YEARS NOTHING WAS HAPPENING HAPPENING.
NOW THEY’RE PRECEDEING GOING AHEAD.
EGLINTON FINCH AVENUE, TICK MARK NOT ROLLING ALONG BUT IT
IS CREAKING INTO SOME SENSE OF ACTION.
FINALLY THE YORK UNIVERSITY SUBWAY.
THE PROBLEM WAS THERE WAS NOT A ROAD MAP WHERE WE WERE GOING
FROM THERE. A LOT OF TALK.
NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS TO THE POINT WHERE MY FRIEND I
SAY THROUGH YOU AMADAME SPEAKER HE IS WORRIED WE HAVE TOO MANY
TRANSITS. I DON’T THINK THERE IS ANY SUCH
THING. IN THE LIFE OF THIS CITY AT
THIS TIME GIVEN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING HERE THE GROWTH WE
APPROVE WITHOUT ANY DIFFICULTY NO SUCH THING AS TOO MUCH
TRANSIT. WE HAVE SOME CHALLENGES HOW
WE’RE GOING TO PAY BUT NO SUCH THING THAT HAD A CITY DOING —
BUILDING THE TRANSIT FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE GOING TO WORK AND
GOING TO SCHOOL TODAY.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
LET’S VOTE. OUR FIRST MOTION IS MOTION NO.
NO. 5 BY COUNCILLOR CRESSY. RECORDED VOTE.>>COUNCILLOR MIHEVC PLEASE.>>THE AMENDMENT DOES NOT CARR
CARRY. THE VOTE IS 14-28.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: OUR NEXT MOTION IS MOTION NO. 1 BY
COUNCILLOR FORD. RECORDED VOTE.>>THE MOTION DOES NOT CARRY.
THE VOTE IS 6-36. MOTION FOR COUNCILLOR CARROLL
RECORDED VOTE.>>COUNCILLOR CRAWFORD PLEASE.>>MOTION EIGHT BY COUNCILLOR
PALACIO. RECORDED VOTE.>>COUNCILLOR PERKS PLEASE.
DAVIS DAVIS, COUNCILLOR CARROLL CARROLL, COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA.>>MOTION EIGHT CARRIES, 38-4.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: MOTION SIX AS AMENDED.
COUNCILLOR BAILAO. RECORDED VOTE. GLM JUAN COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM
>>COUNCILLOR WONG-TAM PLEASE.>>THE MOTION IS AMENDED
CARRIES 40-2.>>MADAME SPEAKER: MOTION TWO
BY COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS. RECORDED VOTE.>>COUNCILLOR LAYTON PLEASE.
>>COUNCILLOR MIHEVC PLEASE.>>THE MOTION CARRIES.
38-4.>>MADAME SPEAKER: MOTION
THREE BY COUNCILLOR PERKS. RECORDED VOTE.>>MOTION THREE CARRIES
UNANIMOUSLY, 42 IN FAVOR.>>MADAME SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR
PERRUZZA, CONGRATULATIONS. OUR NEXT MOTION IS — BY RECORD
RECORDED VOTE.>>COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA PLEASE.
>>COUNCILLOR COLLE AND COUNCILLOR MIHEVC PLEASE.>>THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS
UNANIMOUSLY 42 IN FAVOR.>>MADAME SPEAKER: MOTION 7 B
BY COUNCILLOR DAVIS. LET’S SEE IF IT IS GOING TO BE
A LANDSLIDE HERE. RECORDED VOTE.>>COUNCILLOR BAILAO THANK YOU.
>>COUNCILLOR MIHEVC PLEASE.>>THE MOTION CARRIES.
42 HUH-UH ONE. 41-1.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: OH. OH. ITEM AS AMENDED RECORDED VOTE. WHAT WE WERE HOPING.>>COUNCILLOR MIHEVC PLEASE.>>THE ITEM IS AMENDED CARRIES.
36-6.>>MADAME SPEAKER: OUR NEXT —
OH, COUNCILLOR CRESSY.>>COUNCILLOR CRESSY: THANK
YOU, SPEAKER. JUST VERY BRIEFLY ON A POINT OF
PRIVILEGE. I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE
HAVE A NEW EXTENDED MEMBER OF OUR COUNCIL FAMILY.
THAT IS CHLOE JENNIFER LAYTON. A HUGE CONGRATULATIONS TO
COUNCILLOR LAYTON AND HIS FABULOUS PARTNER BRETT.
[APPLAUSE]>>MADAME SPEAKER: OUR NEXT
ITEM IS ON PAGE 4. EX29.2.
THE PARK. WE’RE ALSO GOING TO DEAL WITH
ITEM T 28.7. TORONTO EAST YORK COUNCIL ITEM
AS WELL AT THE SAME TIME. SO DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO
STAFF? COUNCILLOR CRESSY.
>>COUNCILLOR CRESSY: THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
I’LL BEGIN BY DIRECTING QUESTIONS TO THE — TO OUR
CHIEF PLANNER. AS PART OF THIS REPORT HAVE YOU
IDENTIFIED THE AREA AROUND THE RAIL CORRIDOR AS ONE IN NEED OF
PARK LAND. THAT IS PARK LAND.
>>THAT IS CORRECT THE AREA OF THE DOW DOWNTOWN IS PARK
DEFICIENT AS IT IS TOWARDS THE CITY OF TORONTO.
>>COUNCILLOR CRESSY: THE MOST PARK DEFICIENT IN THE CITY OF
TORONTO?>>THE GROWTH AREAS ARE UNDER
PRESSURE AND YOUNG AND EGLINTON ARE PART OF IT.
IT HAS PARKS PROVISION AT 10.8 SCARE METERS PEREZ DENT WHICH
COMPARE TO SAY CITY-WIDE AMPLE OF CITY-WIDE METERS.
>>COUNCILLOR CRESSY: HAVE THERE BEEN SIMILAR PROJECTS
UNDERTAKEN IN OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DERIVED CITY-WIDE BENEFIT
FROM THEIR COMPLETION?>>CERTAINLY WE HAVE SEEN MAJOR
AMERICAN CITIES AND IN AUSTRALIA THE USE OF CREATING A
NEW SIGNATURE PUBLIC SPACING AS A NEW WAY OF RE-IMAGING THE WAY
THAT CITY IS EXPERIENCED IN CHICAGO AND MANY OF — THROUGH
THE SPEAKER MANY PEOPLE PROBABLY HAVE SEEN MILLENNIUM
PARK WHICH IS A LARGE COMPARATIVELY SIZEED PARK
INSTALLATION ON THE WATERFRONT. IT CURRENTLY IS CHICAGO’S NO. 1
TURIST ATTRACTION ATTRACTED ALMOST 13 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE
LAST PART OF 2016. ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF USING PARKS
AS A DRIVER FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM IS HIGH
LINE IN NEW YORK CITY AND NEW PARK SPACE WHICH IS BRINGING
SIGNIFICANT TOURISM, MORE TOURISM IN FACT AS A FACILITY
THAN THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING OR THE STATUTE OF LIBERTY.
>>PARK LINE DEFICIENCY AND MEETING A NEED DO YOU SEE THE
POSSIBILITY FOR RAIL DECK PARK AS SIMILAR TO MILLENNIUM PARK
AND HIGH LINE OF NEW YORK CITY AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITY-WIDE
BENEFIT AS A CITY-WIDE DESTINATION.
>>I WOULD SAY IT IS OPPORTUNITY IN THE BROADEST
SENSE OF THE WORD. OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE PARK
LAND EFFICIENCY AND ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD UP AND
IMAGINE THE SIGNATURE BRAND OF THE CITY.
>>THANK YOU. TWO OUR DEPUTY SITTING MANAGER,
THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION RELATED TO OWNE
OWNERSHIP AS IT RELATES TO THE AIR RIGHTS AS WELL AS THE LAND
AROUND THE RAIL CORRIDOR. THROUGH THIS PROCESS DID STAFF
UNDERTAKE A TITLE SEARCH AND IF SO WHAT ARE THE CONCLUSIONS AS
OF THE PUBLICATION OF THIS REPORT?
>>MADAME SPEAKER STAFF UNDER UNDERTOOK A TITLE SEARCH AND
CONSTANTLY LOOKS AT THE REGISTRATIONS.
THERE ARE FOUR OWNERS OF THE LAND.
TUNNEL TERMINAL RAILWAY, CN CITY OF TORONTO AND METROLINX.
AND SO THAT IS THE OWNERS OF THE LAND.
WE’RE AWARE OF A COMPANY THAT HAS APPLIED FOR AN OFFICIAL
PLAN AMENDMENT CALLED PITS OR CRAFT.
THE DEVELOPMENT WHO ARE AN AGENT FOR THOSE OWNERS — FOR
THE TTR.>>JUST SO I UNDERSTAND WE’VE
IDENTIFIED FOUR OWNERS OF THE AIR RIGHTS BEING THE CITY OF
TORONTO METROLINX AND CN AND TT TTR.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY FOUR.>>THEY ARE THE ONLY FOUR.
>>FROM THE CONTEXT OF ACQUISITION, IS ONE OF THE
RECOMMENDATIONS IN THIS REPORT SUBJECT TO COUNCIL’S APPROVAL
TO THEN PROCEED WITH ACQUIRING THE AIR RIGHTS FROM THOSE THREE
OTHER OWNERS?>>MADAME SPEAKER THAT IS
CORRECT. WE HAVE TO ACQUIRE THE AIR
RIGHTS FROM THE OWNER. WHOEVER IT IS.
WHETHER IT IS –>>ON A VALUE FOR MONEY
ASSESSMENT HERE, WHAT IS THE GOING RATE OF 1 ACRE OF LAND IN
DOWNTOWN TORONTO RIGHT NOW?>>THERE IS A NUMBER QUOTED IN
THE REPORT. I BELIEVE IT IS 95 TO
$110 MILLION BUT WE GOT EXAMPLES OF RECENT TRANSACTION
AT 154, 268, 77 AND $78 MILLION.
>>AND SO WOULD IT BE VIABLE FOR THE CITY TO ACQUIRE 21
INDIVIDUAL LOTS AT 1 ACRE IN SIZE AND IF SO WOULD THAT BE
MORE OR LESS EXPENSIVE THAN ACQUIRING THE AIR RIGHTS ABOVE
THIS.>>MADAME SPEAKER, BE MORE
EXPENSIVE I BELIEVE AND MORE COMPLICATED AND MORE PROTRACTED
AND BE DIFFICULT TO ACQUIRE A CONSOLIDATED PIECE OF LAND THAT
WOULD REPRESENT A REGIONAL CITY-WIDE NATIONAL PARK OF THIS
KIND.>>ON THAT BASIS DO YOU SEE
THIS AS THE LAST REMAINING OPPORTUNITY IN DOWNTOWN TORONTO
FOR A PARK OF THIS SIZE?>>MADAME SPEAKER, THIS IS THE
LAST REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR A PARK, YES.
>>ON THE FUNDING QUESTION YOU HAVE SPOKEEN OFTEN I UNDERSTAND
HEARD YOU ABOUT GROWTH PAYING FOR GROWTH ALLUDED TO IN THE
REPORT. AS PART OF THE SECTION 42 PARK
ACQUISITION FUNDS DO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY WHEN TO
CORE COMES FORWARD IN THE SPRING YOU’RE PROPOSING TO
BRING FORWARD A NEW SECTION 42 RATE.
IN ESSENCE TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT WE COLLECT AS AWARD AND
AS A CITY. THAT IS CORRECT
>>MADAME SPEAKER: THAT IS YOUR LAST QUESTION.
>>THAT IS CORRECT. WE PLAN TO COME FORWARD WITH A
REVISION TO THE CURRENT SCHEME THAT CAPS THE CONTRIBUTION FROM
DEVELOPERS FOR CASH AT 10% OF THE LAND AREA ANY PARTICULAR
SITE.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU,
COUNCILLOR. NEXT COUNCILLOR IS COUNCILLOR
ROBINSON.>>COUNCILLOR ROBINSON: THANK
YOU VERY MUCH, MADAME SPEAKER, DEPUTY SPEAKER.
YOUNG AND EGLINTON I COULD NOT HELP BUT NOTICE YOU IDENTIFY
THAT AS PARK LAND DEFICIENT AREA IN THE CITY.
THAT IS ACCURATE AND CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT?
>>YES. YOUNG AND EGLINTON IS ONE OF
THE CITY’S FASTEST GROWING RESIDENTIAL AND HOPEFULLY
EMPLOYMENT AREAS. THE WORK THAT WE’VE DONE WITH
MIDTOWN FOCUS WHICH IS ALSO ON THE AGENDA MADAME SPEAKER,
DEPUTY SPEAKER, IDENTIFYIES PARK LAND DEFICIENCY ISSUES
AMONG OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES.
THERE IS A PARK LAND AND PUBLIC REALM PLAN THAT HAS BEEN PUT
THROUGH COUNCIL AND WE’RE U UPDATING THAT THROUGH THE
MIDTOWN FOCUS EXERCISE. WE WOULD BE BRINGING FORWARD
STRATEGY IN THE NEW YEAR WITH THE SECONDARY PLAN TO INCREASE
THE FUNDING RATE IN YOUNG AND EGLINTON TO SUPPORT THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT PARK LAND STRATEGY.
>>COUNCILLOR ROBINSON: YOU AGREE IT IS PRECEDENT HAPPENING
AT YOUNG AND EGLINTON AND FASTEST GROWING AREA IN THE
CITY.>>IT IS AMONG THEM, YES.
>>COUNCILLOR ROBINSON: AMONG THEM.
ANOTHER THING PARENTS WOULD HAVE SEEN IS 1830 HAS BEEN
PURCHASEED AS PARK LAND. THAT COULDN’T HAPPEN FOR A
NUMBER OF REASONS. VERY DISAPPOINTING BUT I GUESS
THEY LOOK DOWN TO THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR WHAT MAY HAPPEN THERE
AND SAY, THEY’RE VERY FORTUNATE FORTUNATE.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WILL THIS IN ANY WAY IMPACT YOUNG
AND EGLINTON IN SECURING GREEN SPACE PUBLIC REALM, STREET
SCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, ET CETERA.>>THE INTENT IS 42 RATE, THE
RATE THAT THE CITY TAKES PARK LAND LEVYIES IN ASSOCIATION
WITH DEVELOPMENT WILL BE INCREASED IN ALL GROWTH AREAS
TO SUPPORT ACHIEVEMENT OF PARKS, TO SUPPORT THE REDEVELOPMENT
RE REDEVELOPMENT HAPPENING IN ALL GROWTH AREAS.
>>COUNCILLOR ROBINSON: I THINK WHAT YOU’RE SAYING TO ME
IF THIS GOES FORWARD IT NO WAY AFFECTS YOUNG AND EGLINTON AND
THERE IS PARK LAND PURCHASED THERE BECAUSE LITERALLY THERE
IS NOT A BLADE OF GRASS AND IT IS GETTING WORSE AND BUILDINGS
ARE COMING DOWN AND TALLER ONES ARE GOING UP.
DUST EVERYWHERE. VERY HARD TO REALLY EVEN LIVE
IN THAT AREA CURRENTLY. YOU’RE SAYING THIS WILL IN NO
WAY IMPACT THIS PART OF THE CITY WHICH IS ALSO REALLY
DISPRT FOR GREEN SPACE DISCREDIT FOR GREEN SPACE AND
PARK LAND.>>YES, MADAME SPEAKER.
IT IS INTENDED TO BE THE SAME KIND OF PARK LAND —
>>COUNCILLOR ROBINSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: COUNCELLOR MAMMOLITI.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. I WAS JUST RESETTING YOUR TIMEE
TIMER. VERY IMPORTANT.
>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI: LEAVE IT UP TO YOU.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE TOTAL COST OF THIS VENTURE.
>>MADAME SPEAKER WE HAVE DONE A DETAILED ENGINEER AGO
ANALYSIS AND THE COST ORDER OF MAGNITUDE IS 1,665,000,000.
>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI: THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE WAS WHAT?
>>MADAME SPEAKER THERE WAS NO ESTIMATE IN THE LAST REPORT.
WE DID NOT STIPULATE A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI: OKAY. SO ASSUMING THAT THIS THING
COULD BE BUILT IN 10 YEARS, 15 YEARS.
>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI:>>IT COULD BE BUILT IN PHASES
AND EARLIER. FIRST LIKELY WOULD BE THE TOP
OF THE SPADINA FRONT METRO LINK SUBWAY ON SPARK TRACK SESSION
OR –>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI: HOW
SOON WOULD THAT BE?>>THAT COULD REASONABLY START
IN THREE YEARS.>>WHAT WOULD THE COST OF THE
VENTURE BE IN THREE OR FOUR YEARS ASSUMING IT GOES AN EXTRA
YEAR ON THAT AND THEN I’M ASSUMING THE REST WILL TAKE UP
TO 10 OR 15 YEARS. WHAT ARE THE COSTS ASSOCIATED
TO THE FULL PARK AT THAT POINT?>>WE HAVE IDENTIFIED IN THE
REPORT A FIRST PHASE WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE METRO LINK
STATION AND THE LANDS TO THE SOUTH RIGHT DOWN TO MILLENNIUM
PARK. THAT COST IS $872 MILLION UN
UNESCALATED.>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI: THAT
BRINGS IT UP TO OVER 2 MILLION-DOLLAR.
>>NO, MADAME SPEAKER, THAT IS INCLUDEED IN THE 1.65.
>>WHAT 1.65.>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI: WHAT
HAPPENS IF THE ESTIMATES ARE WRONG AND I’M RIGHT AND THIS IS
GOING TO COST $3 BILLION AT THE END OF THE DAY.
>>MADAME SPEAKER, WE TOOK STREAM PAIN TO SAY LOOK AT THE
COSTING. YOU SEE IN THE REPORT THE DECK
CONSTRUCTION ITSELF IS $844 MILLION.
THE PARK CONSTRUCTION TO DO THE LANDSCAPEING SAYS 95 MILLION.
DESIGN PIECE AT 95. BUT WE HAVE TWO AMOUNTS.
CONTINGENCY OF 327 MILLION AND AN ALLOWANCE OF 304 MILLION FOR
A TOTAL OF $631 MILLION. BASICALLY CONTINGENCY THAT
ALLOWS US WHICH WE THINK IT IS SUFFICIENT TO COVER OFF THE
RISK OF ANY COST ESCALATION.>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI: OKAY.
SO GIVEN THAT, I REMEMBER WHEN THIS CAME FORWARD I MOVED THE
MOTION TO PASS TO COUNCIL THAT ASKED FOR ALL OF US TO BE UP
UPDATED ON UPGRADEING THOSE PARKS NECESSARY THAT WERE
INSUFFICIENT IN PLAYGROUNDS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
WHERE IS THAT LIST FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT?
>>MADAME SPEAKER, WE’VE COME BACK WITH A REPORT THAT INCLUDE
INCLUDES A RECOMMENDATION THREW 3 A AND 3 B PRINCIPLES FOR
FUNDING WHICH WOULD SEE THAT THE EXISTING POLICY AND
ALLOCATIONS THAT BENEFITS ALL PARTS OF THE CITY WOULD REMAIN
UNTOUCHED. THAT ANY FUTURE INCREASES IN
PARK LAND LEVYIES WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED ACCORDINGLY IN ALL
PARTS OF THE CITY.>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI: I GET
THAT. I GET THAT.
I HAVE ASKED FOR A VERY DETAILED LIST COUNCIL ALONG
WITH THIS REPORT.>>IN A SEPARATE REPORT.
>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI: THAT ASKED FOR EACH ONE OF OUR PARKS
IN OUR OWN WARDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND GIVEN US THE EVALUATIONS
BASED ON HOW INSUFFICIENT SOME OF THEM ARE.
SO THAT WE GET AN IDEA WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD BE SUPPORTING
AT THIS POINT ANY WAY SOUNDS LIKE OVER $2 BILLION.
IN FUNDING. TO LEAVE OUR PARKS THAT NEED
PLAYGROUNDS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO WE’RE — WHERE IS THAT LIST? NOBODY FROM PARKS CHRISTMAS TO
ME ANY WAY AND SAID HEY, COUNCILLOR, THESE PARKS ARE NOT
UP TO STANDARD AND WE SHOULD FIX THEM BEFORE WE SPEND
$2 BILLION ON A NEW PARK.>>MADAME SPEAKER I’LL TURN
THIS OVER TO JANEY IN A SEC BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE THAT POINT AND WE HAVE ADDRESSED IT.
>>THROUGH MADAME SPEAKER I’M LOOKING AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS
FROM THE PREVIOUS REPORT. ONE REQUESTING AN INFORMATION
ON DEFICIENCYIES IN PARKS IN THE SUBURBS SPECIFICKICLY
THROUGH YOUR MOTION. WE DID REPORT THROUGH AT
EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE ON PHASE I OF AN UPDATED PARK STRATEGY
THAT IS LOOKING AT PARK LAND ACROSS THE CITY.
AND WILL BE REPORTING BACK ON THE FINAL PARKLAND IN JUNE.
>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI: YOU ENVISION ALL OF OUR PARKS BEING
UPGRADEED THE WAY WE SHOULD BEFORE WE SPEND THESE FEW
BILLION DOLLARS ON A NEW PARK?>>THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER,
THERE IS TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS TO LOOK AT.
THE FIRST IS PARK LAND DEFICIENCY.
THESE WOULD BE THE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR
PARK LAND ACROSS THE CITY AND THE OTHER —
>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI: I’M TALKING ABOUT THE EXISTING
PARKS, PLAYGROUND, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BALL DIMES
DIAMONDS, ALL THE THINGS NOT WORKING FOR OUR COMMUNITIES.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: THIS IS YOUR LAST QUESTION.
>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI: DO YOU SEE US FIXING UP ALL OF OUR
PARKS IN OUR AWARDS WITH THE CAPITAL MONEY BEFORE WE VENTURE
INTO SPENDING.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THAT WAS
YOUR LAST QUESTION.>>THROUGH MADAME SPEAKER
REPORT ON THE PARK LAND STRATEGY IN JUNE AT THE FINAL
STRATEGY. ALSO WITH SOME REFERENCE TO THE
FUNDING AS — THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR THE EXISTING PARKS THAT WE
HAVE.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR DE BAEREMAEKER COUNSELLOR DI CIANO.
>>COUNCILLOR DI CIANO: THANK YOU.
THERE IS THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THE
VICINITY OF THE PARK. DID WE NOT HAVE POLICIES IN
PLACE DURING THE APPROVAL OF ALL THOSE CONDOMINIUMS TO
FIGURE OUT HOW WE WERE GOING TO BUILD THE SIZABLE PARK BECAUSE
NOW I’M HEARING THAT THIS AREA IS VERY DEFICIENT.
ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. WHY DIDN’T WE KNOW THIS
BEFOREHAND?>>THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER.
THE COURSE OF THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS WITH THE GROWTH THAT HAS
TAKEN PLACE IN DOWNTOWN TORONTO TORONTO, WE HAVE HAD A PARK
LAND BY LAW IN PLACE. THE DYNAMIC OF WHAT HAS BEEN
HAPPENING IS EXTREMELY HIGHER DENSITYIES OVER THAT PERIOD OF
TIME. HIGHER LAND VALUES.
THE SITE SIZES HAVE BEEN INCREASINGLY SMALLER.
SO WE’VE TAKEN WHERE WE COULD ON-SITE FLOOR PLAN BUT
INCREASINGLY TURNED TO TAKING CASH IN — IN THAT LAND MARKET
AND ACQUIRE NEW PARKS IS INCREASINGLY CHALLENGING.
WE HAVE CREATED A NUMBER OF NEW PARKS IN THE LAST 10 OR 15
YEARS BUT WE SIMPLY CANNOT KEEP UP TO THE RATE OF GROWTH THAT
IS TAKING PLACE. SO PART OF THE STRATEGY THAT IS
BEING CONSIDERED BY THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS TO RESET
THE RATE AND RESET THE PLAN THROUGH THE PARK LAND STRATEGY.
SO ON A GO-FORWARD BASIS, WE HAVE A MUCH MORE DIRECT
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PROVIDING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE GROWTH
THAT WE’RE PROJECTING.>>IT SOUND AMAZING.
I THINK THAT WE’RE 20 YEARS TOO LATE.
>>COUNCILLOR DI CIANO: HELP ME UNDERSTAND SOMETHING.
HOW MUCH LAND IS LEFT IN THE VICINITY.
WE CAN ONLY COLLECT PARK LAND DEDICATED SECTION 37 FOR
CERTAIN AREAS AROUND THE COMMUNITY.
HOW MUCH AREA AROUND THIS COMMUNITY AROUND RAIL DECK PARK
IS AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT IS THE ESTIMATE THAT
WE’RE GOING TO GENERATE FROM ANY ADDITIONAL LEVYIES?
>>OVER THE NEXT 25 YEARS THROUGH THE WORK THAT WE’RE
DOING WITH THE DOWNTOWN SECONDARY PLAN, WE’RE
PROJECTING IN THE LARGER DOWNTOWN FROM BATHERS TO THE
RIVER UP TO THE RAIL TRACKS TO THE LAKE ROUGHLY 140 TO 180,000
UNITS DEPENDING ON HOW IT PLAYS OUT OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT RANGE OF SIZE OF PIPELINE, THE
PROJECTION IS A VERY — WITH A NEW RATE A NEW 42 RATE A FAIRLY
ROBUST LEVEL OF PARKS LEVIES THAT CAN PAY FOR A LARGE
PORTION OF THIS FACILITY AS WELL AS OTHER PARK LAND
IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN.
>>COUNCILLOR DI CIANO: OKAY. THAT IS A PRETTY BIG AREA.
ARE YOU SURE THAT THERE AREN’T GOING TO BE COMMUNITIES WHERE
THOUSANDS OF THESE UNITS ARE GOING TO BE PLACED SAYING I
DON’T WANT TO WALK ALL THE WAY TO RAIL DECK PARK.
I WANT A PARK RIGHT OUTSIDE MY BUILDING.
HOW DO WE FORCE PEOPLE IN THIS BROAD DEVELOPMENT AREA TO SAY
ALL YOUR MONEY IS GOING TO RAIL DECK PARK, ESPECIALLY WITH
POLICIES AND –>>I THINK THROUGH YOU MADAME
SPEAKER, THERE IS GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF STRATEGIES.
WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDO DEW EXISTING PARKS.
DOING THAT NOW WITH BURZY AND HARBOUR SCOTT PARK FOR EXAMPLE.
WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO ACQUIRE SMALL ON-SITE PARKS
BUT THEY’LL BE MORE LIKE BEST POCKET PARKS.
WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO INVEST IN GREEN CONNECTIONS THAT MAKE
IT EASY FOR PEOPLE TO GET FROM WHERE THEY LIVE TO WHERE THE
PARKS FACILITIES ARE. FINALLY THROUGH THIS ANALYSIS,
WE REALLY DETERMINE THIS IS THE ONLY LAST OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD
A LARGE, FUNCTIONAL OPEN SPACE. YOU CAN FIT ACTUALLY SEVEN
SMALLER PARKS INTO THIS PARK. SEVEN OF THE EXISTING PARKS
DOWNTOWN. SO WE THINK IT HAS A VAST KIND
OF FUNCTIONALITY AND UTILITY, A GREATER NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO DO
A GREATER NUMBER OF THINGS.>>COUNCILLOR DI CIANO: I
CERTAINLY DON’T DISAGREE WITH THE NOTION THAT IT IS DESPERAT
DESPERATELY NEEDED. I’M JUST CONCERNED NOW THAT THE
DEVELOPERS HAVE ALL LEFT THAT AREA, TAXPAYERS ARE LEFT
HOLDING THE BAG FOR THIS PARK. SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE WILL
COLLECTED IN THE LAST 10, 15 YEARS, FOR A CONSOLIDATED GREEN
SUFFICE THIS AREA? DO WE HAVE A NUMBER IN HOW MANY
UNITS THAT IS COMPOSED OF, ARE WE GOING TO GET ANYWHERE CLOSE?
I’M NOT CONVINCEED THAT DEVELOPMENTS THROUGH A BROAD
AREA OF THE CITY ARE GOING TO JUST SAY YEP.
NO PROBLEM. I’LL GIVE YOU PARK LAND
DEDICATION FOR RAIL DECK OR I’LL GIVE YOU MY 10% FOR LAND
ALLOCATION TO RAIL DECK AND DOLLAR VALUE AND DON’T WORRY
ABOUT THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE TO WALK THEIR DOG OR THEIR
CHILDREN. I’M JUST NOT CONVINCEED THAT IS
GOING TO WORK.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THAT IS
YOUR LAST QUESTION.>>THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER
WE REPORTED OUT ON THE CASH AND BALANCES LAST SPRING THROUGH
THE COUNCIL. LAST 10 YEARS THE CITY HAS
COLLECTED ROUGHLY $483 MILLION IN CASH AND LIEU IN RESIDENTIAL
DEVELOPMENT. DURING THE SAME PERIOD WE SPENT
$260 MILLION. YOU CAN SEE THE BALANCES WHERE
THE MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT AS WELL.
SO GOING FORWARD AND WORKING WITH PLANNING, WE ARE
PROJECTING WHAT THOSE BALANCES WOULD BE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL
DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE IN THE PIPELINE.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU. COUNCILLER CRISANTI
>>COUNCILLOR CRISANTI: I HEARD THERE ARE FOUR REGISTERED
OWNERS ON TITLE. DOES THAT INCLUDE ANY AIR
RIGHTS AS WELL?>>MADAME SPEAKER WE’RE AWARE
OF AN APPLICATION BY AN AGENT CALLED PITS.
THE COMPANY IS CALLED CRAFT. THE WORK DEVELOPMENT.
THEY MADE AN APPLICATION THAT IS BEING REVIEWED BY CITY
PLANNING FOR A DEVELOPMENT ON THIS RAIL DECK AREA WHICH WOULD
INCLUDE A NUMBER OF CONDOMINIUM TOWERS AND A PARK.
THAT IS WHAT WE’RE AWARE OF. PRESUMABLY IT INVOLVES SOME
SORT OF CONDITIONAL DEAL WITH THE TORONTO TERMINAL RAIL RODES
BUT WE’VE NOT SEEN THE NATURE OF THAT ARRANGEMENT.
>>COUNCILLOR CRISANTI: THE 600 OR JUST OVER $600 MILLION
IN CONTINGENCYIES OR DESIGN PRICING CONSTRUCTION AND ANY
OTHER CONTINGENCYIES, WOULD THAT INCLUDE ANY NEGOTIATIONS
THAT OF COURSE HAVE ANY NEGOTIATIONS BEGUN MAYBE I
SHOULD ASK THAT PERSON. ANY OF THESE —
>>MADAME SPEAKER THERE HAVE BEEN NO NEGOTIATIONS WITH THAT
APPLICANT THAT YOU — THAT I REFERRED TO EARLIER NOR WITH T
TTR. WE HAVE MADE SOME INQUIRY WITH
TTR BUT NOT BEEN ABLE TO ADVANCE ANY NEGOTIATIONS.
>>COUNCILLOR CRISANTI: YOU’RE COMFORTABLE ALL THOSE COSTS
WOULD BE MORE THAN COVERED WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE ESTIMATED.
>>MADAME SPEAKER WE HAVE AN A AFLOWNSZ THAT AMOUNT.
>>COUNCILLOR CRISANTI: WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSED
PARK?>>MADAME SPEAKER THE PROPOSED
PARK IS 21 ACRES OR 6.1 HECTARS HECTARS.
>>COUNCILLOR CRISANTI: OKAY. IN TERMS OF I DON’T SEE
ANYWHERE IN THE REPORT THAT SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY TO COSTS OF
OPERATING IT IS RELATIVELY A LARGE PARK.
OBVIOUSLY 21 ACRES. COST OF OPERATING AND WE HAVE
GOT TO ALSO CONSIDER THAT IN ANY DECISION I THINK THAT WE
MAKE GOING FORWARD. WHAT WILL IT COST TO MAINTAIN A
PARK LIKE THAT? DO YOU HAVE ANY ESTIMATES, ANY
IDEA, EVEN FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF POLICING GIVEN THAT
THERE ARE POLICE RESOURCES ARE SO VERY, VERY LEAN TODAY
THEY’RE MORE ON A REACTIVE MODE IN POLICING AND NOT
PROAFFECTIVE. HOW DO WE COVER THE COSTS OF
THE ADDITIONAL POLICING, WARDEN WARDENS MAYBE OR WHAT DO YOU
HAVE IN MIND?>>THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER
THE ACTUAL DESIGN ON THE COMPONENTS HAVE YET TO BE
DETERMINED. OPERATING COST ARE DETERMINED
BY THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE PARK.
WE’RE ALSO LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF INNOVATIVE OPERATIONS MODELS
AND GOVERNMENT MODELS SIMILAR TO THOSE PURSUED BY SOME OF THE
OTHER LANDMARK PARKS IN THE US SUCH AS MILLENNIUM PARK AND
BELT LINE. THERE IS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
APPROACHES AND WE DON’T HAVE AN ESTIMATE AROUND THE APPROACHES
AT THIS POINT.>>I UNDERSTAND THAT.
GIVEN YOU ALREADY GO THE SIZE OF THE PARK.
I KNOW THE DESIGN WILL FACTOR INTO COMING UP WITH MORE
PRECISE COSTS IN TERMS OF HOW GOING FORWARD IN THE OPERATING
ITSELF. BUT AN ESTIMATE I THINK WOULD
BE WISE YOU KNOW. THAT IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, BUYING
A MAJOR — YOUR OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY AND NOT KNOWING WHAT
IT IS GOING TO COST YOU TO OPERATE IT.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO FACTOR THAT IN FOR — IF WE’RE GOING TO BE
BUILDING A PARK OF THIS SIZE.>>THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER,
THAT WILL BE PART OF THE NEXT PHASE OF EVALUATION THAT IS
DONE WHEN WE REPORT BACK IN THE NEXT DAYS OF RAIL DECK PARK.
>>THE TIME FOR THAT IS?>>2019.
>>OKAY, THANK YOU.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR MCMAHON MC THANK YOU VERY
>>COUNCILLOR MCMAHON THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAME SPEAKER.
ANYONE HERE FROM PUBLIC HEALTH? I THOUGHT MAYBE PARKS CAN
ANSWER. MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE
CONNECTION BETWEEN HEALTH AND WELL-BEING AND ACCESS TO NATURE
NATURE?>>THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER,
I’M NOT SPEAKING FOR PUBLIC HEALTH BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MANY
STUDIES AND RESEARCH THAT HAS BEEN DONE THAT CONNECTS NATURE
TO WELL-BEING AND CERTAINLY PARKS AND LEISURE TIME TO
MENTAL HEALTH AND WELL-BEING.>>COUNCILLOR MCMAHON: AND
WHAT — YOU NEED TO GET OUT TO A PARK.
WHAT IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR A WALKABILITY FACTOR TO
GREEN PACE?>>THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER.
THE INITIAL WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE ON THE PARK LAND STRATEGY
PHASE I, 5-10 MINUTES WALKABLE TO GREEN SPACE IS AN AVERAGE
THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN SOME OTHER LARGE URBAN CENTERS FOCUSING ON
THAT.>>COUNCILLOR MCMAHON: WORKING
ON THAT TALLY FIGURE NUMBER FOR TORONTO, RIGHT?
>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>COUNCILLOR MCMAHON: LAST
QUESTION. WHEN COMPARING GREEN SPACE
ACROSS THE CITY HOW DOES THE DOWNTOWN FAIR?
>>IN DOWNTOWN AND STUDY AROUND PROPOSED RAIL DECK PARK IS ONE
OF THE MOST PARK LAND DEFICIENT AREAS IN THE CITY.
>>COUNCILLOR MCMAHON: THANK YOU.
CASE CLOSED.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK.>>COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK: THANK
YOU, MADAME SPEAKER. GOING TO FOLLOW UP A ON A
QUESTION I RAISED AT EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
WHEN DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS COME THROUGH MY DESK, THE
PLANNING STAFF PRESS HARD TO DO PARK LAND ON-SITE WHICH WOULD
THEN NEGATE CASH AND LIEU. YET THE VISION HERE SEEMS TO BE
PUSHING FOR CASH AND LIEU SO WE CAN RAISE A BIG POT OF MONEY
FOR THIS PROJECT. I SEE A DIS DISCONNECT BETWEEN
THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND PARKS DEPARTMENT.
AM I MISREADING THE SITUATION?>>THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE PARKS FORESTRY AND
RECREATION OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TO DEVELOP UNIFIED
STRATEGIES TO SUPPORT GROWTH. WE GO THAT 90% OF THE SITES
DOWNTOWN ARE LESS THAN 1 HECTOR 1 HECTARE AND IS INCREASINGLY
DIFFICULT TO GET PARK LAND ON-SITE.
THE SITES THAT ARE UNDER READ READABILITY AND OTHER PARTS OF
THE CITY ARE TYPICALLY LARGER AND THEY DO AFFORD MORE
OPPORTUNITIES TO ACQUIRE PARK LAND ON-SITE THROUGH THE
DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS. SO YOU DO SEE DIFFERENT TYPES
OF RESPONSES IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY.
OFTEN RESPONDING TO THE KIND OF FABRIC AND PERSONAL FABRIC
YOU HAVE IN THOSE AREAS.>>IF WE WERE RAISING THE
AMOUNT OF REVENUE THROUGH SECTION 42, HOW WOULD WE RANK
AMONG CITIES? WOULD WE BE OFF THE CHART WHEN
IT COMES TO ASKING DEVELOPER TO SAY PAY OR WOULD WE PRETTY WELL
BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK, WHERE WOULD WE STAND VIS-A-VIS
OTHER MUNICIPALITYIES?>>THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER.
WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT LEVEL OF DETAILED ANALYSIS BUT IT WOULD
BE I THINK CORRECT TO ASSUME THAT GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF
DEVELOPMENT AND THE PACE OF DEVELOPMENT, THAT OUR
COLLECTION OF CASH AND LIEU IS PROBABLY AT SOME OF THE HIGHEST
IN CANADA.>>MADAME SPEAKER: I THINK THE
DEPUTIES, IF YOU WANTED TO COMMENT.
>>I ONLY OBSERVEED THAT WE’RE WELL BELOW THE STANDARD THAT IS
IN THE CONTACT CURRENTLY AND I WOULD SAY PROBABLY IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE PACK AT MAXIMUM. SO THERE IS SOME ROOM TO GROW
THE PARK LAND LEVY.>>SO WE WON’T COME OFF THE
CHARTS WHEN IT COMES TO A NEW FEE REGIMEN.
>>NO, SIR. WE HAVE BEEN DELIBERATE IN OUR
REPORTING. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE
UNDERSTAND WE WANT TO ENGAGE THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IN A
COLLECTIVE WAY AND SETTING UP MECHANISMS TO DO THAT, THAT
TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THIS AND CHARGES AND OTHER FACTOR THAT
INFLUENCE THEIR BOTTOM LINE. WE ALSO HAVE A BOTTOM LINE CITY
PROVIDED PARKS LIKE THIS. WE HAVE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT
WITH THEM ON SUITABLE FINANCING STRATEGY FOR ALL OF THEM.
>>SO ALONG THAT LINE OF QUESTIONING REFRESH MY MEMORY
FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE GET CASH IN LIEU, A PERCENTAGE STAY
STAYS LOCAL. A PERCENTAGE GOES REGIONAL.
AND THEN A PERCENTAGE GOES CITY-WIDE.
IS THAT — IS THAT AN ACCURATE SNAPSHOT?
>>THAT IS ROUGHLY IT. JANEY CAN GIVE YOU THE
SPECIFICS.>>THERE THROUGH YOU MADAME
SPEAKER. THERE IS A DISTRIBUTION EVERY
DOLLAR HALF REMAIPS LOCAL AND HALF GOES INTO A CITY-WIDE
ACQUISITION POT AND WITHIN THOSE POTS IT IS DIVIDEED ONCE
AGAIN EVENLY BETWEEN FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR ACQUISITION AND
FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT.
>>AND IN YOUR OPINION, WELL, WILL THIS CARVING OF THE PIE
STAY AS IS OR ARE WE LOOKING AT CHANGING THE CARVING?
>>THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER WE’RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES
TO THAT AS PRINCIPLE AROUND THE DISABILITY.
>>IF THAT STAYS AS IS CAN WE FINANCE THE RAIL DECK PARK?
YOU’RE SPLICING UP THAT PIE PRETTY GOOD.
>>THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER, WE’RE LOOKING AT AND BEFORE
COUNCIL WILL BE SOME CHANGES IN AS HE HAS INDICATED CASH IN THE
PROCESSES. SO WE’RE NOT LOOKING AT ANY
CHANGES TO THAT BASE 5% THAT IS CURRENTLY ALLOCATED THE WAY IT
IS.>>MY FINAL QUESTION.
WHEN DOES THIS COME BACK TO US FOR MORE DIALOGUE?
>>IT COMES BACK MADAME SPEAKER 2019, THE FIRST PART OF 2019.
>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR CAMPBELL.>>COUNCILLOR CAMPBELL: THANK
YOU, MADAME SPEAKER. I’M VIRGINIA FAMILIAR WITH THE
DOWNTOWN AREA GOING TO THE ROGERS CENTER FOR YEARS BEFORE
ANYTHING WAS BUILT OUT THERE. I THINK I GUESS A QUESTION TO
CITY STAFF IS, TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IN PARTICULAR,
FOLLOWING UP THE LINES COUNCILLOR DEUTSCHE DEUTSCHE.
THE MALWAS SOLD FOR $36 MILLION AND IT IS SOMETHING LIKE
6.5 ACRES. THAT IS TO THE TUNE OF
$21 MILLION AN ACRE. THAT IS JUST FIVE YEARS AGO.
NEXT TO IT THERE WAS A TOYOTA TOYOTA DEALERSHIP.
I DON’T KNOW THE SIZE OF THAT OR WHAT THE FINAL PRICE WAS BUT
I IMAGINE IT IS ALONG THOSE LINES.
THE REPORT SAYS THAT TYPICAL LAND ACQUISITION COSTS FOR FREE
AND UNCUMBERED PROPERTIES RANGE BETWEEN 95 AND $115 MILLION AN
ANACHE. MY QUESTION IS WHY HASN’T STAFF
IN THE PAST BEEN LOOKING FOR SOME OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO
BUY LAND AT MUCH, MUCH LESS THAN THE REPORTED COST OF LAND
NOW?>>THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER I
NOTE WITH THE GOLD MEDAL SITE THE SPECIFICS OF THAT
DEVELOPMENT WHICH DID INCLUDE THE TOYOTA SITE ULTIMATELY
INCLUDEED BOTH AN ON-SITE PARK AND ACQUISITION OF OFFSITE PARK
PARK. BUT THE TOTALITY — AND ABOUT
40 — I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 45% OF THE SITE WAS PUBLICLY
ACCESSIBLE OPEN PACE SPACE. THE NATURE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT
AFFORDED A PARTICULAR OPPORTUNITY TO GET A CERTAIN
KIND OF OPEN SPACE. WE LOOK FOR OFFSITE PARK IN
THAT TOINS CONNECT TIE IN THAT INSTANCE TO ADD TO THAT.
>>I’LL FOLLOW UP IN A SECOND.>>I HAVE BEEN DILIGENTLY
TRYING TO ACQUIRE ON A SITE BY SITE BASIS BUT WE LACK THE
FOCUS FOR A LARGE PARK FOCUS OUR EFFORTS.
IN FACT WE HAVE FALLEN BEHIND AND ACTUALLY TAKEN THE MONEY
THAT WE COLLECTED IN TRANSLATE TRANSLATING IT INTO LAND.
AND AS A RESULT WE LOST THAT OPPORTUNITY TO BUY THINGS AT
THOSE PRICES. NOW WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE HAVE A PLACE TO PUT OUR MONEY IN A CONSERVED CONCERTED
EFFORT.>>TO BE CLEAR I FULLY SUPPORT
THE PLAN AND I THINK IT IS BRILLIANT.
WHEN I LOOK AT A SITE LIKE THE GOLD ESPECIALLY MEDAL SITE
RIGHT THERE AT FRONT IN SPADINA SPADINA.
I DON’T KNOW WHY THE CITY DIDN’T SAY YOU KNOW WHAT MAYBE
WE SHOULD JUST BUY THE WHOLE THING UP AND CONVERT IT INTO A
PARK. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW IF WE
HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MUCH UNENCUMBERED LAND IS STILL
DOWN IN THE DOWNTOWN? HOW MANY PARKING LOTS ARE THER
THERE? THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES
IN THE CITY PERHAPS TO LOOK AT PURCHASING LAND FOR REASONABLE
VALUE.>>THROUGH THE PARKS AND PUBLIC
REALM PLAN AND WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE WITH RAIL DECK PARK
WE HAVE LOOKED ACROSS THE DOWNTOWN FOR OTHER LARGE SITE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR LARGE CONTIGUOUS PARKS.
FRANKLY THIS IS THE ONLY LAST LARGE OPPORTUNITY SHORT OF
GOING OUT AND ASSEMBLING FOR EXAMPLE 21-ACRE SITES.
>>HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE LARGE? IS 6-ACRES LARGE?
>>GREATER THAN 3-HECTARES IS THE DEFINITION WE USE IN THE
REPORT. IT IS PROVIDING A GREATER
FUNCTIONALITY WHEN YOU GET THAT LARGE.
>>IS THE CITY LOOKING — HAS THE CITY LOOKED AT OR LOOKED AT
POSSIBLE SITES, THREE TO 6 ACRES THAT, MIGHT CURRENTLY
JUST BE PARKING LOTS DOWNTOWN?>>THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER
THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THAT IN THE CITY.
WE HAVE LARGE DEVELOPMENT SITE WE TAKE OFF-SITE PARKING, LOWER
YOUNG LCO IS A LARGE PARK COMING WITH THAT.
BUT IT IS AROUND 2 ACRES AT THE END OF THE DAY.
EVEN FOR A SITE LIKE THAT, THAT IS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE PARK
YOU END UP GETTING. IT IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT AND
CHALLENGEING TO ASSEMBLE THAT KIND OF PARK SPACE.
>>WHEN I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. IT SAYS THE REAL RAIL DECK IS
GOING TO COST 83 MILLION BUT IF WE’RE GOING TO BUY IT IS 95 TO
115 MILLION. I’M NOT SEEING A REAL BIG VALUE
SAVINGS BECAUSE I KNOW THE 83 MILLION IS ONLY GOING TO GO
IN ONE DIRECTION. WHILE YOU COULD MAKE THE SAME
CASE FOR LAND PRICES, I THINK THE ACCELERATOR ON THE RAIL
DECK PARK IN TERMS OF COST PER ACRE IS GOING TO BE GREATER
THAN BUYING LAND.>>MADAME SPEAKER I DISAGREE.
I ACTUALLY THINK THE BETTER NUMBER IS STAFF NUMBER FOR THE
RAIL DECK. GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE SEEN AND THE
WAY IT IS CONSTRUCTED IT IS NOT A PARTICULARLY COMPLICATED
PIECE OF ENGINEERING. AND ALL WE SEE IN THE LAND
MARKET RIGHT NOW IS PRICE THAT CONTINUE TO GO UP.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO GET THIS KIND OF SITE, THIS SITE, THIS
IS THE SITE FOR IT. THERE IS NO OTHER SITE.
AND IT IS REALLY YOU CAN START TO NEGOTIATE WITH INDIVIDUALS
ONE AT A TIME. MONTHS AND MONTHS WITH
DIFFICULT PEOPLE. I DON’T THINK THE PROSPECT OF
US EVER ACQUIRING LARGE IS WITH US ANY MORE.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: OKAY THAT WAS — THAT IS —
>>ONE LAST QUESTION. IT WAS 459.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: NO. NO.
NO. SORRY.
I WANT TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY COUNCILLOR CAMPBELL.
COUNCILLOR CARROLL.>>COUNCILLOR CARROLL: YEAH.
I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF REORDER THE WAY WE’RE LOOKING
AT THIS. WE WERE LOOKING AT BOTH THE ZONING ITEM TODAY AND
THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE PARK THAT’S BEEN PROPOSED.
WE’RE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT BOTH RIGHT NOW.
SO IN TERMS OF THE ZONING, THIS IS NOT UNHEARD OF IS IT IF YOU
— IT IS NOT A MATTER OF THE COUNCILLOR SAYING I WOULD LIKE
A BIG PARK. SO YOU LOOK FOR WHERE TO PUT
ONE. WE DO WANT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF
LARGE FEATURE IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE IN ANY CASE DO WE NOT?
>>THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER THIS IS AN OFFICIAL PLAN
AMENDMENT TO BE CLEAR.>>COUNCILLOR CARROLL: RIGHT.
>>THE PROCESS HAS BEEN TO REVIEW THE PLANNING FRAMEWORK
IN THE AREA WHICH HAPPENS TO BE THE VARIOUS RAILWAY LAND PLANS
THAT WERE APPROVED DECADES DECADES AGO.
TO CONSIDER THE APPROPRIATE USE WHAT IS A REAL CORRIDOR.
SOMEWHAT UNSITELY BUT HIGHLY ESSENTIAL RAIL CORRIDOR.
THE OPPORTUNITY THAT IT REFERENCES IN A CONTEXTUAL WAY.
IN A WAY, A GREAT, GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
GIVEN THE SIZE OF IT TO GET WAY AHEAD OF THE GAME THAT WE KNOW
WE’LL NEVER WIN. WE WILL NEVER WIN GETTING UP TO
A RATE OF PARK LAND PROVISION FOR THE REST OF THE CITY.
THIS WILL GO A LONG WAY TO RESETTING THE AMOUNT OF PARK
LAND THAT WE CAN SUPPLY FOR RESIDENTS AND WORKERS DOWNTOWN.
>>DOWNTOWN.>>COUNCILLOR CARROLL: RIGHT.
THE DEBATE WE’RE ABOUT TO HAVE IS REALLY ABOUT — IS IT NOT IT
IS REALLY ABOUT PLANNING AND ENVISIONING VERSUS WAITING FOR
— VERSUS REACTING. WE COULD JUST WAIT AND
APPLICATION BY APPLICATION REACTION BY REACTION WE’LL END
UP CEILING SEALING THE FATE WHAT HAPPE HAPPENS.
THIS IS PLANNING IN ADVANCE WHAT WE WANT TO HAPPEN THERE.
REGARDLESS WHETHER WE HAVE THE BILLION DOLLARS IN OUR POCKET
OR 115 MILLION. IS THAT NOT THE CASE?
>>THAT IS THE CASE. WE’VE DONE A PARKS AND PUBLIC
REALM PLAN. WENT THROUGH A CORE PROCESS.
WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN THE LAST 15 YEARS.
PLANS TO ADMIT IT ALL TOGETHER. PART IS CREATING THE STITCH
WHICH IS BRINGING TOGETHER A NUMBER OF PUBLIC FACILITIES,
TOURISM ASSETS ACROSS THE SOUTH PART OF THE DOWNTOWN.
THIS IS IDEALLY SITUATED THAT WILL BRING A FORWARD COURT TO
ALL THE GREAT PUBLIC FACILITIES AND CREATE A SEAMLESS
CONNECTION BOTH NORTH, SOUTH AND EAST AND WEST.
IT IS PART OF A GREATER VISION AND GREATER PLAN.
>>COUNCILLOR CARROLL: RIGHT. THE FACT THAT IT IS
ASPIRATIONAL SHOULDN’T STOP US FROM GOING AHEAD AND DOING THE
ZONING IN ADVANCE. IT DOESN’T — IT DOESN’T
ACTUALLY PICTURE THEM. BUT DURING THE MEETING AND
DURING THE PRESENTATION, OTHER CITIES WERE GIVEN AS AN EXAMPLE
OF HAVING THIS ASPIRATIONAL PLANNING HAPPEN WELL IN ADVANCE
OF EXECUTION. COULD YOU NAME SOME OF THOSE
FOR US NOW FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE MORE LIKELY
TO SEE IT HERE TODAY?>>I HAVE ALREADY NOTED THE
EXAMPLES IN CHICAGO WHICH IS ROUGHLY EQUIVALENT IN SIZE.
CHICAGO HAS LONG HAD A PRINCIPAL OF CREATING PUBLIC
ACCESS TO ITS WATERFRONT. GENERALLY EXISTS ON LITTLE
WATERFRONT BUT ALSO EXISTS ABOVE A RAIL AND ROAD FACILITY.
IT IS A VERY INTERESTING EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS IS DONE.
THERE ARE OTHER CITIES SUCH AS MELBOURNE THAT IS BUILT OVER
FACILITIES IN AUSTRALIA.>>COUNCILLOR CARROLL: YES.
>>SMALLER EXAMPLE IN DALLAS, TEXAS, BUILDING OVER A MAJOR
HIGHWAY FACILITY IN THE DOWNTOWN.
>>COUNCILLOR CARROLL: AND IN BOTH OF THOSE TWO VERY OBVIOUS
EXAMPLES OF MELBOURNE AND CHICAGO, THE PLANNING EXERCISE
WHAT WE’RE BEING ASKED TO LOOK AT TODAY IS A COUPLE OF DECADES
BEFORE THE RESIDENTS SAW EXECUTION.
IS THAT THE CASE?>>THAT IS THE CASE.
THE MILLENNIUM WAS IN THE 90S.>>COUNCILLOR CARROLL: RIGHT.
THANK YOU. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS, MADAME
SPEAKER.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR LAYTON, QUESTIONS?>>COUNCILLOR LAYTON: YES,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAME SPEAKER.
REALLY JUST ONE QUESTION. IF WE CHANGE THE SECTION 42
CONTRIBUTION, WILL THAT IF WE INCREASE WHAT IS REQUIRED, WILL
THAT RESULT IN GREATER RESOURCES FOR COMMUNITIES
ACROSS THE CITY?>>YES.
>>COUNCILLOR LAYTON: SO MORE MONEY FOR PARKS IN SCARBOROUGH,
MORE MONEY FOR ETOBIOCOKE AND NORTH YORK?
>>THAT IS THE PRINCIPLE THAT STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING THAT
GUIDE THE FINANCIAL STRATEGY TO DEVELOP THE CASH THAT WE WOULD
USE TO DEVELOP THIS PARK.>>COUNCILLOR LAYTON: THAT
PRINCIPLE WOULD NOT ONLY SUPPORT PARKS GROWTH BUT
CITY-WIDE IN KINGS AND SPI DINE A.
>>CITY-WIDE, YES.>>COUNCILLOR LAYTON: SO
COMMUNITIES, ETOBIOCOKE, SPI DIANA WEST OF MY AREA WILL
BENEFIT FROM THE BENEFIT IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE MORE?
>>YES.>>COUNCILLOR LAYTON: GREAT.
THANK YOU.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS.>>COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS:
THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER AND THROUGH YOU TO THE STAFF.
HOW MANY ACRES WILL THIS RAIL DECK BE?
>>APPROXIMATELY 20 ACRES.>>COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS:
OKAY. THE ESTIMATED COST FOR US TO
ACQUIRE.>>RIGHT. CAN YOU ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN?
>>COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS: THE COST TO ACQUIRE THE AIR RIGHTS.
>>MADAME SPEAKER I WOULD BE AMISS IN —
>>COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS: MADAME SPEAKER I’M SORRY BUT —
>>MADAME SPEAKER: THERE IS NOBODY BEHIND YOU TALKING.
>>LOTS AND LOTS OF NOISE.>>MADAME SPEAKER: I PUT YOUR
TIME ON HOLD.>>COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS:
COUNCILLOR DAVIS.>>MADAME SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR
DAVIS. OKAY.
THANK YOU.>>SO MADAME SPEAKER IT IS
GOING TO BE A LONGER ANSWER THAN YOU WANT BUT I WANT TO
MAKE SURE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THIS.
WE REALIZE WE HAVE TO ACQUIRE THE AIR RIGHTS.
>>COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS: AND THE COST OF THAT —
>>WE HAVE SEEN OTHER EXAMPLES SO WE KNOW WHAT OTHER EXAMPLES
LOOK LIKE. I WOULD NOT ADVISE YOU ANY
NUMBER IN THE PUBLIC BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT IS A NEGOTIATION
THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE WITH THE OWNERS OF THE AIR RIGHTS.
AND SO THERE IS AN ALLOWANCE
FOR THAT AND I WON’T BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC ANSWER ON
THAT.>>MADAME SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR
GRIMES AND COUNCILLOR BURNSIDE. OKAY.
>>CAN YOU PLEASE DEFINE HOW WE GET THROUGH THE CHAIR TO STAFF
HOW DO WE COME UP WITH A FIGURE OF 1.6 BILLION.
WHERE IS THAT NUMBER COMING FROM IN
>>MADAME SPEAKER ATTACHED TO THE REPORTS IS A SERIES AND ONE
IS ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION FEASIBILITY STUDY.
LOOKED AT THE ENGINEERING, THE PRACTICALITY OF PUTTING ACTIVE
COLUMNS IN AN ACTIVE RAIL LINE. THE COST OF THE STRUCTURE
SUPPORTS, THE WIDTH AND THE DEPTH OF THE SPAN THAT GO
ACROSS IN THE VARIOUS LOCATION LOCATIONS.
I COMMEND IT TO YOU IT HAS DETAILED INFORMATION.
>>THE 1.6 IS ACQUIRING THE AIR RIGHTS, BUILDING IT AND OPENING
UP THE PARK. THAT IS GOING TO COST US
$1.6 BILLION.>>MADAME SPEAKER AGAIN THE
CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE ROUGHLY 844.
ABOUT HALF OF IT. SOFT COSTS ARE ABOUT
100 MILLION AND 95. PARK CONSTRUCTION 95.
AND TON TIN GENERALSY IS $631 MILLION.
>>1.6.>>1.665.
YES.>>SO WHEN YOU TAKE 1.66 TO
ROUND IT UP AND DIVIDE IT BY 21 ACRES, WOULD I BE CORRECT
COMING UP WITH A NUMBER OF $76,190,476.19 PER ACRE?
>>WE CALCULATE $83 MILLION AN ACRE.
>>$83 MILLION AN ACRE. MADAME SPEAKER THROUGH THE
STAFF WHAT IS THE COST FOR BUILDING A COMMUNITY CENTER
SOMETHING LIKE –>>THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER
ANYWHERE BETWEEN $80 MILLION.>>$80 MILLION PER ACRE TIMES
20-ACRES, WE CAN BUILD IF I’M NOT MISTAKEEN WE CAN BUILD 40
COMMUNITY CENTERS. IS THAT CORRECT?
>>IF USING THAT>>COUNCILLOR MATALOW: THAT
WOULD BE CORRECT.>>SO THANK YOU.
>>I SHOULD JUST TO CLARIFY THE — SOME OF THE FUNDING AND WAY
THAT IT IS ALLOCATED. IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOCATED IN
THAT WAY THROUGH THE ALLOCATION POLICY THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
>>THE $1.6 BILLION FOR YOU MADAME SPEAKER TO STAFF HOW
WOULD THIS MONEY BE BROUGHT IN AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO FIND
THIS MONEY BESIDES TAXES OUR RESIDENTS.
>>MADAME SPEAKER VERY GOOD QUESTION.
WE HAVE SOME EXISTING DOLLARS THAT HAVE BEEN COLLECTED FOR
THIS PURPOSE. WE HAVE ALLOCATED SIGNIFICANT
AMOUNT OF MONEY THERE. WE ONLY 1.5 AND 6.3-HECTARE
SITE. WE HAVE FUTURE DCS AND WE HAVE
FUTURE SECTION 42 PARK LAND DEDICAT DEDICATION CASH AND
MONIES, SECTION 37S. AND THERE IS DISCUSSION IN THE
REPORT ABOUT AN AREA RAID OR OTHER MECHANISM THAT WE MIGHT
USE IN THE AREA. FINALLY WE’LL IT WOULD BE AN
EXCELLENT CANDIDATE FOR PROVINCIAL AND FEDERAL SUPPORT
IN A GO-FORWARD BASIS.>>BUT WE DON’T HAVE PROVINCIAL
FEDERAL SUPPORT AT THIS MOMENT. CORRECT?
>>NO, MADAME SPEAKER WE DO NO NOT.
>>SO MUCH MONEY HOW MUCH MONEY MONEY ARE WE TAKING INTO
ACCOUNT THAT WE HAVE TO RAISE TO SAY WE HAVE THAT PART WE CAN
BUILD.>>AGAIN MADAME SPEAKER THE
$1.665 MILLION FIGURE IS THE NUMBER.
>>THAT IS WHAT WE NEED NOW IN>>VARIOUS SOURCES FROM
EXISTING SOURCES AND FUTURE SOURCES WE HAVE 140 TO 180,000
UNITS. 140 TO 180,000 UNITS COMING
INTO THIS AREA OF THE DOWNTOWN IN THE NEXT 25 YEARS.
>>BUT THROUGH I ONLY HAVE 15 SECONDS.
HOW MUCH MONEY WILL WE NEED RIGHT NOW IN ORDER FOR US TO
SAY WE ACQUIRE THAT.>>THE TOTAL COST IS 1.665.
WE HAVE SOME EXISTING COLLARS DOLLARS.>>MADAME SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR
HOLYDAY.>>COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY: THANK
YOU, SPEAKER. TO CONTINUE ON MY COLLEAGUES
QUESTIONS THERE, WITHOUT GOING INTO THE NUMBER OR NIP
SPECIFICS IS IT FAIR TO SAY THE ACQUISITION OF THE AIR RIGHTS
WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE ACQUISITION OF THE LAND IS A
VERY SMALL COMPONENT OF THE 1665?
>>MADAME SPEAKER, THE AIR RIGHTS ARE NOT A FEE SIMPLE NOT
DIRT. THEY’RE NOT DOWN TO THE CENTER
OF THE EARTH AND UP TO THE MIDDLE.
JUST THE AIR RIGHTS JUST THE STRATA AND YES IT IS RELATIVELY
SMALL NUMBER.>>COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY: WOULD
IT BE FAIR TO SAY ESSENTIALLY FOR 1.665 WE’RE MANUFACTURING
OR BUILDING A PARK. CREATING A PARK FROM NOTHING.
LIKE IT IS NOT GOING TO BE ON TYPICAL LAND.
IT IS ON A STRATEGY A WE’RE CREATING A SURFACE OUT OF
NOWHERE. SO MANUFACTURING A PARK.
HAVE YOU EVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE?
>>YES, MADAME SPEAKER. IN WARPED 11 WE HAVE A SIMILAR
PARK ON SMALLER — WE HAVE A SIMILAR PARK ON A SMALLER SCALE
SCALE.>>MADAME SPEAKER: YEP.
>>COUNCILLOR HOLYDAY: THE OTHER THING I RECALL WE WERE
TALKING ABOUT AND IT IS ON-GOING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS
THE MANUFACTURER AND SECTIONS OF GARDENER.
I THINK THERE IS DECISIONS TO BE MADE ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY
BUT IF I RECALL THERE IS COLUMN COLUMNS AND VENTS AND LOOK AT
MAKING DECKING AND CASTING IN PLACE OR PERHAPS MANUFACTURING
THE PIECES AND BRINGING IT TO THE GARDENER.
IS THERE HIM IN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE LOOKS AWFULLY SIMILAR
JUST WIDER. OF STEPPEDING PROCESSES OR PLAN
THAT WE MAY CREATE TO CREATE THE GARDENER TO MAYBE
APPROPRIATE THEM NOW FOR THE CREATION OF THE DECK STRUCTURE
FOR RAIL DECK?>>MADAME SPEAKER THAT IS
POSSIBLE. WE HAVE USED IN THE PRECAST
CONCRETE REGIME OF 1955 TO 56 AND 51 NEW TECHNOLOGY PRECAST
CONCRETE AND WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO DO THAT SIMILARLY.>>NORTHERN EDGE AND SOUTHERN
PREDOMINANTLY APPEARS TO BE OURS AND SOUTHERN LOOKS LIKE IT
IS A COLLECTION OF CONDOMINIUMS CONDOMINIUMS.
DO YOU HAVE SOME SENSE OF SECURITY OR OPTIMISM ABOUT THE
ABILITY TO REFORCED ENFORCE THE SOUTH WALL OF THIS RAIL
DECK. FROM THE PICTURE THERE IS —
ROW OF COLUMNS DOWN THE CENTER. AND THEN ON THE OTHER TWO EDGES
ARE WE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT LONG THE CONDOMINIUM SIDE.>>ON NORTHERN SIDE ON FRONT
STREET AND WE OWN IT ABOUT STRATEGY.>>GIVING UP SPACE ON THE SOUTH
SIDE TO BARE THE WAIT OF THE DIRECT STRUCTURE.>>LAST QUESTION I’M INTRIGUED
BY THE STRUCTURE OF THIS AND HOW IT IS GOING TO PHASE IT.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE TO DO A LOT OF WORK BELOW THE SURFACE
OF THE PLAIN OF THE SURFACE AND THE FOUNDATION WALLS.
IS THE PLAN TO DO THAT IN SMALL PIECES OR ARE WE GOING TO TRY
TO DO THAT CIVIL WORK DONE DOWN IN THE RAIL CORRIDOR BECAUSE IT
IS VERY INTERRUPTED TO THE OPERATIONS AND THEN ADD THESE
DECK PIECES OVER TIME. I KNOW THERE IS TWO FACES
CONTEMPLATED THREE AND WHAT IS THE VISION HERE.
BIG CASH INVESTMENT TO DO THE GROUND WORK AND THE DECKS SLIDE
IN OVER TIME.>>THAT IS WHERE WE SIT IT IS
IN THERE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE POSSIBLE.
THEY WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO US IN THE FUTURE.
>>BETTER WAY TO CHARACTERIZE THE QUESTION ARE WE FRONT END
LOADING A LOT OF THE CIVIL WOR WORK.
ARE WE GOING TO SEE RETURNS ON THE INVESTMENT ON INCREMENTS
RIGHT WAY. WE DON’T HAVE TO
>>WE CAN DO BOTH BUT I THINK ADVANTAGEOUS TO GET THAT CIVIL
WORK IN PLACE.>>THANK YOU.>>MADAME SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR
CRESSY.>>COUNCILLOR CRESSY: THANK
YOU, SPEAKER. AND I WILL BEGIN FIRST OF ALL
BY THINKING OUR CITY OF TORONTO STAFF ACROSS DEPARTMENTS WHO
HAVE SPENT FROM PARKS TO CITY PLANNING TO REAL ESTATE TO
BUILD TORONTO AND OTHERS AND AN EXCEPTIONAL AMOUNT OF TIME AND
DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS PROJECT. I WANT TO THANK THEM.
OUR PARKS AND ENVIRONMENT CHAIR McMAN HAS BEEN A STAUNCH
ATTENDEE OF MEETINGS. IN RECENT MONTHS ON THIS
PROJECT. AND LEADERSHIP AND VISION ON A
CITY-WIDE PROJECT. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AS — HIS
LEADERSHIP. I JUST WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS
TAKE A FEW MINUTES ON THIS PROJECT AS IT IS A BIG PROGIC.
I’LL BEGIN BY SAYING WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT?
IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK THE OBLIGATION FOR ALL OF US AS
CITY BUILDERS SHOULD BE TO BUILD A CITY FOR 50 YEARS FROM
NOW. RATHER THAN THINKING ABOUT
BUILDING A CITY FOR TODAY. AND YOU’VE HEARD UNDER
QUESTIONING THE RATIONALE FROM THE LOCAL CONTEXT THE LOCAL
NEIGHBORHOOD. THE POPULATION OF DOWNTOWN HAS
DOUBLEED IN THE LAST 15 YEARS. AND IT WILL DOUBLE AGAIN TO
HALF-A-MILLION PEOPLE IN THE NEXT 25 YEARS.
IN THE MEANTIME WE HAVE NOT BUILT PARK LAND TO KEEP UP.
WE JUST HAVEN’T. AND SO IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A
LIVEABLE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU HAVE TO INVEST IN THE PARKS AND THE
COMMUNITY AMENITIES TO MAKE IT ACTUALLY LIVEABLE.
I THOUGHT COUNCILLOR DI GIORGIO HAD AN EXCELLENT LINE OF
QUESTIONING GIVEN ALL THE DEVELOPMENT TAKEN PLACE IN
DOWNTOWN WHY HAVE WE NOT DONE THIS UNTIL NOW.
AND COUNCILLOR DI GIORGIO WAS RIGHT LET’S DO IT NOW.
THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT LIVABILITY AND DEALING WITH
GROWING POPULATION AND A WORKING POPULATION IN DOWNTOWN.
THIS IS ABOUT A CITY-WIDE DESTINATION.
IT IS A CITY-WIDE OBJECTIVE. AND THAT IS WE BUILD THESE
CENTRAL PROJECTS NOT JUST FOR REGIONS.
THE SEA AND TOWER IS NOT BUILT AND CALLED THE DOWNTOWN TOWER.
THE TORONTO ZOO WAS NOT BUILT FOR OR CALLED THE SCARBOROUGH
ZOO. THEY’RE TORONTO DESTINATIONS.
SO TOO ISRAEL DECK PARK. ADJACENT TO THE ROGER CENTER
AND THE C TOWER AND AQUARIUM TO HAVE A NEW 21-ACRE, CENTRAL
PARK THERE WILL BE A DESTINATION YES FOR RESIDENTS
OF THE CITY. BUT TOURISTS AND VISITORS AS
WELL. AND THIS IS NOT A RADICAL
CONCEPT NOT A PIE IN THE SKY IDEA.
NEW YORK CITY WHEN THEY BUILT THE HIGH LINE, IT QUICKLY
BECAME THE SECOND MOST POPULAR TOURIST DESTINATION IN ALL OF
NEW YORK. IN CHICAGO WHEN THEY BUILT THE
PARK PEOPLE SCOFF. DON’T DO IT.
IT IS GOING TO COST TO MUCH. THE MAYOR AT THE TIME PUT HIS
HEAD DOWN GOT IT DONE. GUESS WHAT?
MILLENNIUM IS JUST THE 6TH MOST POPULAR TOURIST DESTINATION IN
THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES. WITH 15 MILLION ANIMAL VISITORS
VISITORS. AND SO WHEN YOU INVEST IN THE
FUTURE, THAT IS WHAT THIS IS. SO THE QUESTION I GET ASKED A
LOT IS ACTUALLY IS FUNDING
GOING TO HAPPEN. THE PRINCIPLE HERE WHICH IS AN
IMPORTANT ONE STARTS FROM THE PREMISE OF GROWTH PAYS FOR
GROWTH. AND IN DOING SO, IT IS WORTH
GETTING INTO THE DETAILS BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY LIFTS UP
THE ENTIRE CITY. SECTION 42 OUR PARK ACQUISITION
FUNDS THAT IS UNDERCLICKING. AND 10% WHEN WE BUILD A CONDO
270 UNITS OR 570 WE GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY. AND HERE IS HOW.
JOHN HAS EXPLAINED THAT WHEN WE BRING FORWARD TO YOUR CORE.
IT IS PROPOSING THE RATES OF SECTION 42.
IS THAT GOOD FOR — FROM DOWNTOWN.
IT IS. BECAUSE 50% OF SECTION 42 STAYS
IN THE AWARD AND 25 IN THE DISTRICT AND 25% TO THE CITY AS
A WHOLE. AND THAT MEANS THE — INCREASE
THE SECTION 42 RATES IN DOWNTOWN TORONTO TO PAY FOR
THIS PROJECT YOU INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO PAY FOR PARK
PROJECTS RIGHT ACROSS THE CITY. IT IS ARISING TIDE THAT LIFTS
ALL VOTES WHEN YOU DO IT RIGHT. AND SO IS CITY BUILDING ABOUT
THE FUTURE? IT SHOULD BE.
YOU HAVE TO IMAGINE THAT FUTURE BEFORE YOU BUILD IT.
AND 50 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN WE’RE SITTING IN RAIL DECK PARK
I DON’T THINK ANYBODY IS GOING TO SIT OUT THERE AND SAY, GEE I
WISH WE BUILT NINE MORE TOWERS. IF YOU GO TO CENTRAL PARK IN
NEW YORK CITY TODAY I DON’T THINK ANYBODY IS SITTING I SIT
IN THERE SAYING GEE I WISH WE BUILT 20 TOWERS HERE.
I KNOW IT IS A BIG PROJECT. BUT CITY BUILDING COSTS MONEY.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU.>>IT IS TIME WE STEP UP.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU COUNCILLOR CRESSY.
COUNCELLOR MAMMOLITI.>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI:
MADAME CHAIR I’M GOING TO MOVE THAT CITY COUNCIL DIRECT THAT
NO FUNDS BE SPENT ON RAIL DECK PARK UNTIL CITY STAFF HAVE DONE
A REVIEW OF ALL CITY PARKS AND IDENTIFIED AND ELIMINATED ANY
DEFICIENCYIES. WE DON’T HAVE ENOUGH TO REPLACE
SWING SETS AND NOW WE’RE LOOKING AT SPENDING $3 BILLION.
LET ME JUST SAY TO YOU. SOME OF YOU MIGHT BE HAPPY.
WHEN I SAY THIS. IF THIS THING COMES UNDER
$3 BILLION, I WILL RESIGN.
I MEAN, IT. BECAUSE I’M SURE.
I AM SURE THAT THIS THING IS GOING TO COST AT LEAST
$3 BILLION. AT THE END OF THE DAY.
AND FOR ME TO JUSTIFY AND GO MY COMMUNITY AND TELL THEM, THAT
WE — WE NEED TO WAIT FOR THAT SWING SET.
AND WE NEED TO WAIT FOR THAT NEW PARK. YOU KNOW WHAT THEY TELL ME?
THEY TELL ME THEY’RE WRONG. THEY TELL ME THE DIRECTION OF
CITY HALL IS WRONG. AND THEY’LL TELL ME THAT WE ARE
INCREDIBLY IRRESPONSIBLE. THAT IS WHAT THEY’LL TELL ME.
AND SO I STAND HERE SAYING TO YOU, $3 BILLION ARE WE SERIOUS?
AND SOME OF YOU ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS?
KNOWING THAT THERE IS ALSO PEOPLE WITH AIR RIGHTS ON THE
SITE AND WE’VE GOT TO — WE’VE GOT A LEGAL MATTER AT HAND AND
WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE EQUATION AND THE EQUATION OF
THE RIGHTS OF OTHER PEOPLE. AND WE ARE SITTING HERE SAYING
HOW WONDERFUL THIS IS GOING TO BE.
HOW WONDERFUL THIS POODLE PARK IS GOING TO BE.
THE $3 BILLION POODLE PARK IS GOING TO BE FOR THE CITY OF
TORONTO. I CANNOT BELIEVE IF — THAT WE
ARE DOING THIS. THE GARDENER, HOW MANY TIMES
HAVE WE STOOD UP HERE TRYING TO FIND THE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO
DEAL WITH THE DETERIORATION OF THE GARDENER?
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE AS — WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS AS
COUNCILLORS HAD MEETINGS TO DEAL WITH ROADS THAT WE HAVE
THAT ARE NOT BEING REPAIRED? BECAUSE WE CANNOT FIND THE
CAPITAL MONEY. HOW MANY TIME THAT OUR PARKS
NEED ADDRESSING AND WE CANNOT CUT THE GRASS.
WE CANNOT DEAL WITH OUR — A BALLPARKS BECAUSE IT IS
DANGEROUS FOR OUR CHILDREN. AND THE REASON — THE EXCUSE
THAT WE’RE GIVEN IS THERE IS NO MONEY.
WE DON’T HAVE THE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
SO BUT NOW WE HAVE MONEY TO GET
A BRAND NEW POODLE PARK FROM THE CITY OF TORONTO.
I’M GLAD PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE THEIR DOGS
CAN GO AND DO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO.
BUT IN MY PARTICULAR COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY DON’T WE HAVE ENOUGH
PARKS, BUT THE ONE THAT SAYS WE DO HAVE ARE NOT BEING TENDED T
TO. SO FOR ME TO STAND UP AND
SUPPORT THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE STUPIDEST THING THAT I COULD BE
DOING AS A POLITICIAN. AND I HOPE THAT PEOPLE ARE
TAKING NOTE OF THIS. BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING THAT
THIS IS GOING TO BE MUCH LARGER IN THE NEXT ELECTION THAT YOU
CAN EVER IMAGINE. I DON’T BELIEVE THIS IS GOING
TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO GET BUILT.
I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE SQUASHED.
AND THE UNFORTUNATE PART OF THIS IS THAT WE’RE GIVEN
DIRECTIONS TO ACTUALLY START SPENDING SOME OF THIS MONEY. MY COMMUNITY DOESN’T WANT TO
PAY FOR THIS. EVERY TIME THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT WE DON’T GET
ANYWHERE NEAR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN TRANSFER PAYMENTS FOR
ANY OF THE DEVELOPMENTS. VIA SECTION 37, 45, GIVE IT
WHATEVER NAME YOU WANT. WE DON’T GET IT.
THE CASH AND LIEU MONEY WE HAVE TO SPLIT WITH YES THE DOWNTOWN
PART OF THE CITY BECAUSE NOW WE’RE ASKING FOR ALL OF THAT
MONEY TO BE DIPPED INTO COUNCILLOR CRESSY WARD AND I
THINK TWO OTHER COUNCILLORS AROUND THERE.
I CAN’T LIVE WITH THIS. I HOPE THAT YOU CAN’T LIVE WITH
THIS. AND I HOPE YOU CAN ASK THE
QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE WE’RE GOING TO FIND THE BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS THAT IT IS GOING TO COST FOR HIGHWAYS AND ROADS.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: YOUR TIME IS UP.
COUNCILLOR CARROLL.>>COUNCILLOR CARROLL: THANK
YOU, MADAME SPEAKER. MADAME SPEAKER I HAVE A
DIFFERENT IDEA OF WHAT IS IRRESPONSIBLE.
IN MY VIEW WHAT IS IRRESPONSIBLE IS TO MISS
CHARACTERIZE AND MISS REPRESENT WHAT IS HAPPENING TODAY.
TO BE DISINGENUOUS CAN OUR COMMUNITY.
IF WE’RE TALKING ABOUT GOING BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY, IF YOU
WERE TO GO BACK TO YOUR COMMUNITY AND SAY THAT WHAT
WE’RE DOING TODAY GOES BEYOND ANYTHING THAT IT SAYS IN THE
REPORT AND LET’S REMEMBER WHAT IT SAYS IN THE REPORT IS THAT
THIS DECISION THAT YOU’RE TAKING TODAY HAS A ZERO
FINANCIAL IMPACT. $3BILLION.
NOT EVEN $1.1 BILLION. THE DECISION THAT YOU’RE TAKING
TODAY HAS ZERO FINANCIAL IMPACT IMPACT. ] AUDIO TECHNICALITY]>>COUNCILLOR CARROLL: NOW
YOU’RE LOOKING AT TWO ITEMS. WE’RE ABOUT TO VOTE ON THE
ZONING OF THIS. AND AND THE EXCEPTION THAT
ANYBODY SHOULD CONTINUE TO STUDY WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN IN
FACT PUT THIS PARK IN PLACE. AND IT SAYS THAT WE SHOULD ZONE
TODAY TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT THIS
IS WHAT WE WANT ON TOP OF OUR AIM LINES IN THIS PARTICULAR
PLACE. THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT
BEING HERE. AND THAT IS, HE’S ALREADY OU
OUTLINED WHAT YOU DO WELL IN ADVANCE 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS IN
ADVANCE OF EVER TO HAVING WRITE A CHECK THIS IS THE TYPE OF
GROUND WORK THAT YOU DO IF YOUR VISION IS TO ONE DAY HAVE
SOMETHING IN THE MAGHAD TO A MILLENNIUM PARK. IF YOU HAVE THE BOLD VISION FOR
THIS CITY AND YOU HAVE IT NO MATTER WHERE YOU’RE
REPRESENTING IF YOU HAVE NO VISION FOR THE CORE CITY, THEN
I DARE SAY THE MONEY YOU HOPE TO FLOW TO YOUR COMMUNITY ISN’T
EVER GOING TO GET THERE. LET’S BE CLEAR.
THE GENERATOR OF THE ECONOMY OF THIS NATION IS HAPPENING IN THE
FINANCIAL CORE OF OUR CITY. WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT WE
HAVE JOINED OTHER WORLD CLASS CITIES IN MAKING STAR IN THAT
VERY FINANCIAL SERVICE SECTOR CORE, WHATEVER IS THE FINANCIAL
DRIVER OF YOUR CORE CITY, WE’VE CHOSEN TO MIX RESIDENTS WE’RE
NOT ALONE. ALL OF US IN THE WORLD DO THAT.
SO THEY HAVE TO INJECT INTO THAT CORE THAT CENTRAL BUSINESS
DISTRICT OF QUALITY OF LIFE AND YOU HAVE TO START WELL IN
ADVANCE IF YOU’RE GOING TO ACHIEVE IT.
THAT IS ALL THAT IS HAPPENING HERE.
AND SO THE BUZZ THAT YOU WANT TO CREATE AROUND YOUR CITY,
THAT IS HAPPENING IN PLACES LIKE MELBOURNE, THAT HAPPENED
PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN HOW VERY
MUCH ONE PUT ON A BANANA HILL NEW YORK CITY WAS AT ONE TIME.
PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN BECAUSE OF THE VISION OF THINGS THAT
LED TO THE HIGH LINE. WHATEVER THE MODEL YOU USE TO
GET IT THERE. THAT IS ALL THAT IS HAPPENING
TODAY. SOMETHING THAT WILL LEAD ONE
DAY TO THE PARK BUT IF YOU’RE PLANNING ON GOING BACK, AND
SPENDING ELECTION YEAR SAYING THAT YOU NEED ME OR SOMEONE IS
GOING TO SPEND $3 BILLION NEXT YEAR, THAT IS WHAT IS
IRRESPONSIBLE MADAME SPEAKER.>>MADAME SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS.>>COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS:
THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER. MADAME SPEAKER I HAVE ASKED
STAFF A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND I GOT MY ANSWERS.
ONE OF THE ANSWERS AND I HAD MISCALCULATED.
I HAD CALCULATED $76 MILLION FOR AN ACRE.
THEY TOLD ME IT WAS OVER 80. WE ALSO HEARD FROM STAFF THAT
WITH $80 MILLION YOU CAN CERTAINLY BUILD TWO COMMUNITY
CENTERS. SO MADAME SPEAKER, WE’RE
LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 20-ACRES TIMES 80 MILLION AND IT IS 1.6.
THIS IS MONEY THAT WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO RAISE THROUGH OUR
TAX BASE. THIS IS MONEY THAT WILL IN 40
WARDS WE CAN PUT TWO COMMUNITY CENTERS.
COMMUNITY CENTERS THAT ARE THE TOP OF THE LINE.
COMMUNITY CENTERS THAT CAN HAVE A SWIMMING POOL.
COMMUNITY CENTERS THAT CAN HAVE MEETING ROOMS, COMMUNITY
CENTERS THAT CAN HAVE — IT CAN BE THERE TO LOOK AFTER OUR
SENIORS AND TO LOOK AFTER THE WHOLE COMMUNITY N MY WARD I
ONLY HAVE ONE COMMUNITY CENTER. THAT COMMUNITY CENTER IS NOT AS
COMMUNITY CENTER THAT $40 MILLION PROVIDES.
IN MY WARD I HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER AT LAMRUE THAT 25 YEARS
HAS NOT PAINTED. ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY PAINTED IT
AND WE HAD A REOPENING. SO FOR ME TO SUPPORT SOMETHING
THAT SAYS $1.66 BILLION AND AND
A FEW MONTHS AGO IT WAS 1.1 AND NOW IT IS 1.6 AND I WILL NOT
DISAGREE WITH COUNCELLOR MAMMOLITI THIS CAN GO UP EVEN
HIGHER CLOSER TO 2.5 TO $3 BILLION TO SUPPORT SOMETHING
LIKE, THIS I’M FINDING IT KIND OF HARD.
I WOULD RATHER TAKE THE $1.66 BILLION AND USE IT
TOWARDS START TUMBLE AGO CROSS SHEPHERD SUBWAY IN ORDER TO
LOOK AFTER THE RESIDENTS OF SCARBOROUGH NORTH OF THE 401
THAT CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN FORGOTTEN AND TREATED AS SECOND
CLASS CITIZENS. SO THIS GOES BACK TO THE POINT
OF PITTING DOWNTOWN AAGAINST THE SUBURBS.
IF WE’RE TO SPEND THIS KIND OF MONEY I’M WONDERING HOW MUCH
MONEY ARE WE GOING TO SPEND IN THE SUBURBS?
THIS IS LOOKING AFTER TWO WARDS THAT INDEED COULD BE PART OF
THE HUB OF THE CITY OF TORONTO. PART OF THE ECONOMIC ENGINE
THAT RUNS CANADA BUT CERTAINLY NOT ON THOSE WARDS BUT THE
WHOLE CITY OF TORONTO. IF YOU’RE GOING TO SAY THAT THE
CITY OF TORONTO IS AN ECONOMIC ENGINE THAT DRIVES CANADA THEN
ALL THE PARTS OF THE CITY OF CANADA SHOULD BE TREATED EQUA
EQUALLY. I HAVE NOT HEARD $1.66 BILLION
BEING USED TO MY WARD AND COUNCILLOR KELLY’S WARD OR
COUNCILLOR MCMAHON OR ANYONE ELSE.
SO THE QUESTION DOES RISE WHY ARE WE GOING TO SPEND THE
$1.66 BILLION DOWNTOWN? WHEN THE AIR RIGHTS ARE CERTAI
CERTAINLY NOT OURS. THERE IS A CONTRAVENTION.
THERE IS ALL KINDS OF SITUATIONS HAPPENING DOWN THERE
THERE. WE ARE TOLD THAT A BUILDER
SENATOR HOPES HOLMES HAVE ACQUIRED THE AIR RIGHTS.
TOLD THEY WERE NOT. APPROACHED THE CITY.
NOT GIVEN A CLEAR ANSWER. NOT MEETING WITH THEM OR
TELLING THEM ANYTHING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WELL GO STRAIGHT
DOWN THIS ROAD. GOING TO SPEND $1.66 BILLION.
A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO IT WAS 1.1.
SO WE HAD HALF A BILLION WITHIN HALF A YEAR.
SO IF WE’RE GOING TO THINK ABOUT THIS EXPONENTIALLY.
EVERY HALF A YEAR WE’RE GOING TO ADD AN EXTRA HALF A BILLION
DOLLARS. BY THE TIME WE’RE FINISHED IT
COULD BE 3 BILLION, 5 BILLION, EVEN HIGHER SO THEREFORE,
MADAME SPEAKER I’M FINDING IT VERY HARD TO SUPPORT SOMETHING
LIKE THIS WHEN MY RESIDENCY TAKES THEM ONE POINT WHEN STAFF
ARE COMING TO ME SAYING COUNCI COUNCILLOR, WE CANNOT BUILD —
WE’RE GOING TO GET — BUILD YOUR GO STATION BUT NOT GET YOU
PARKING BESIDE IT. I DO NOT HAVE COME DOWN EXCEPT
TTC AND IT TAKES YOU ONE AND A HALF HOURS, 1.15.
TO ONE AND A HALF. SO WHY ARE WE TREATING MY
CONSTITUENTS OR KELLY CONSTITUENTS.
OR CHIN CHIN SHIN CHIN LEE.
THEY’RE NORTH OF THE 401 AND UNLESS YOU LIVE IN ANOTHER
PLACE THAT MINE DO WE SHARE THE CONSTITUENCY BUT NOT
CONSTITUENCY WHY ARE WE SPENDING $1.66 BILLION DOWNTOWN
DOWNTOWN.>>THANK YOU COUNCILLOR KELLY
ARE YOU A CHILD OF A LESSER GOD GOD?
>>COUNCILLOR KELLY: OH. SPEAKER, SPEAKER, I HAVE TO —
I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE RAIL PARK.
I REALLY DO. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAVE TO
CHOOSE BETWEEN TWO BASIC OPTIONS EITHER AN ACCOUNTANT OR
A VISIONARY. TO BUILD A GREAT CITY YOU HAVE
TO HAVE A VISION. JUST AS I’M WILLING TO SPEND
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN SCARBOROUGH FOR THE VISION OF
SUBWAYS, THERE AND EVERY WHERE ELSE ACROSS THE CITY.
I’M DELIGHTED TO SUPPORT SPENDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
FOR THE RAIL DECK PARK. YOU KNOW, REMEMBER THE DEBATE
OVER SUGAR BEACH? REMEMBER THAT?
PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS — PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS A PLACE OF MONEY
MONEY. WHAT THEY DIDN’T GET WAS THAT
IN TODAY’S WORLD IN TODAY’S WORLD WORLD AND TOMORROW’S AS
WELL THAT INTENSE COMPETITION BETWEEN URBAN REGION TO SAY A
ATTRACT THE BEST PEOPLE AND LOTS OF MONEY, YOU HAVE GOT TO
PROJECT A COOL BRAND. AND THAT IS WHAT SUGAR BEACH
DID. THE NUMBER OF PHOTOGRAPHS THAT
WERE TAKEN OF THAT BEACH THAT WERE SHOWN WORLD WIDE WAS
FABULOUS. AND WHEN YOU CLOSE YOUR CELL
PHONES AND JUST FEEL WHAT THAT PART DOWNTOWN WOULD MEAN TO THE
CITY IN ATTRACTING PEOPLE AND KEEPING PEOPLE I THINK THAT IT
IS MONEY FRANKLY IN THE LONG RUN THAT IS WORTH INVESTING.
NOW, THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS THAT SAYS FOR SURE THAT IS
GOING TO HAPPEN. LOTS OF — LOTS OF OBSTACLES TO
BECOME OVER TO — TO BE OVE OVERCOME IN THE YEARS THAT LIE
AHEAD. BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT
SPEAKER AS A GUIDEING PRINCIPLE THAN TO HAVE NONE AT ALL.
>>THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR KELLY. MADAME SPEAKER IS NEXT.
HANG ON A SECOND. THERE YOU ARE.
>>.>>MADAME SPEAKER: JUST
BRIEFLY. YOU KNOW, EACH MEMBER OF
COUNCIL HAVE A PROJECTS IN THEIR WARD THAT THEY NEED.
YEARS AGO IN CITY OF YORK I DIDN’T HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO I FOUGHT FOR IT, THIS COUNCIL VOTED FOR THE BUDGET.
WE BUILT A COMMUNITY CENTER BECAUSE WE NEEDED ONE IN MY
COMMUNITY. AND I’M SURE COUNCELLOR
MAMMOLITI WILL COME FORWARD SHORTLY AND WANTING MONEY FOR A
PROJECT IN HIS WARD. AND I DON’T KNOW IF WE’RE GOING
TO VOTE FOR IT COUNCELLOR MAMMOLITI.
BUT I’M SURE YOU’RE GOING TO COME FORWARD WITH YOUR — HE’S
UP THERE. HE’S UP THERE. BUT I JUST WANT TO — JUST TO
MENTION FYI AND DEPUTY CITY MANAGER DID MENTION IT.
I HAVE A RAIL DECK PARK IN MY WARD.
WESTON. IT IS NOT 21 ACRES BUT A SMALL
RAIL DECK PARK BUT IT IS IN WESTON AND IT WAS PAID FOR BY
METROLINX. IT WAS A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE
SCHOOL BOARD. AND WE ARE GOING TO — WE HAVE
— WE’RE GOING TO BUILD A PLAYGROUND.
AN OXLEY STOCK PARK AND COMMUNITY GARDEN.
MY COMMUNITY IS SO EXCITED ABOUT IT AND HAS BEEN BUILT
METROLINX DID BUILD IT. AND SO YOU KNOW IT CAN HAPPEN.
AND YOU KNOW A SMALLER SCALE OF COURSE BUT SO I WAS THE FIRST
FOR RAIL DECK PARK. THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU, MADAME SPEAKER.
COUNCILLOR MATLOW.>>COUNCILLOR MATALOW: MADAME
DEPUTY SPEAKER, SO I WANT TO STAND IN SUPPORT OF MOVING
FORWARD WITH EXPLORING HOW WE CAN BUILD RAIL DECK PARK.
I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE LEADERSHIP OF BOTH MAYOR TORY
AND THE LOCAL COUNCILLOR, COUNCILLOR CRESSY, FOR MAKING
SURE THAT AS OBSTACLES ARE IN OUR WAY THAT THEY WORK TOGETHER
ON TRYING TO RESOLVE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THROUGH THEM.
AS WAS SAID BY COUNCILLOR KELLY KELLY, THIS IS NOT SIMPLE.
THIS IS NOT A SLAM DUNK. AND WE — WE DON’T HAVE THE
FUNDS AND WE DON’T HAVE EVEN THE FULL RIGHTS TO THE PROPERTY
PROPERTY. THAT BEING SAID THOUGH, THE
VISION IS BEING ON EVIDENCE AND WE KNOW THERE IS ALREADY I NORM
US INTENSIFICATION IN THE CORE AND WE GO WE KNOW THAT BASED ON
STAFF REPORTS THERE IS AN ENORMOUS SUFFICIENCY IN ACCESS
TO PARK LAND IN THAT AREA. WE ALSO KNOW FOR A FACT THERE
IS PROJECTED FURTHER DENSE DENSE FIX BEYOND THAT AREA.
AND PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE NEED MORE ACCESS TO PARK SPACE BUT
THE FUTURE TONIGHT ARE TORONTARIANS THEY NEED ACCESS
TO THAT LAND, TOO. I WANT TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT
FOR WHAT I THINK IS VISIONARY IN SOMETHING THAT ALL OF
TORONTO CAN BE PROUD OF. SPEAKING OF ALL OF TORONTO, WE
HEARD A LECTURE EARLIER FROM COUNCELLOR MAMMOLITI ABOUT WE
SHOULDN’T BE DOING THIS. EVEN THOUGH WE’RE NOT SPENDING
IT TODAY BECAUSE THERE ARE PARKS THAT NEED ATTENTION IN
THE CITY. BUT IT IS NOT AN EITHER OR
QUESTION. YES WE NEED TO IMPROVE OUR
PARKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. ALL THIS SHOULD BE DEDICATED TO
THAT GOAL NO MATTER WHAT CORNER OF THE CITY THAT IS AND YES IT
IS ALSO AN EQUAL FACT THAT THIS AREA OF THE CITY IS PARK LAND
DEFICIENT AND THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.
BOTH ARE TRUE. BOTH FACTS CO-EXIST. I WILL CHALLENGE THE MAYOR WHEN
I BELIEVE THERE IS SOMETHING THAT HE HAS DONE THAT I
CHALLENGE HIM ON AS I HAVE MOMENTS AGO. THEY ARE INSENSITIVE AND
DISRESPECTFUL AND THAT IS THE TONE WE HEARD USING LANGUAGE
LIKE POODLE PARK. CALL POODLE PARK I DON’T KNOW
IF IT LOOKS BAD ON THE POODLES OR HIM BUT IT IS BAD.
THIS IS ALSO A MEMBER WHO TALKED ABOUT WASTING MONEY.
WELL, LET ME JUST READ YOU SOMETHING.
THIS IS NOT ANOTHER LEGEND OR ANYTHING.
JUST READING SOMETHING HERE FROM CVC.CA THAT COUNCELLOR
MAMMOLITI ON A FOUR DAY TRIP TO OTTAWA CHOSE TO STAY AT THE
CHATEAU LAURETTE.>>MADAME SPEAKER: PERSONAL
PRIVILEGE COUNCILLOR CAMPBELL THEN COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS.
>>COUNCILLOR CAMPBELL: MY COLLEAGUE IS NOT HERE TO DEFEND
HIMSELF AND HE IS NOT RIGHT HERE IN THE CHAMBER TO DEFEND
HIMSELF. AND I WOULD LIKE YOU TO RULE
HIS COMMENTS OUT OF ORDER. MAYBE ASK HIM TO WITHDRAW THEM.
>>HE’S NOT SPEAK TO THE ISSUE AT HAND WHICH IS THE RAIL DECK
PARK. WE’RE ALL CONCERNED PREFER TO
BE STUCK TO THE ISSUE AT HAND.>>THERE IS A MEMBER WITH A
MOTION IN FRONT OF US THAT WE DO NOT —
>>MADAME SPEAKER: HOLD ON. HOLD ON.
HOLD ON.>>WE DO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH
RAIL DECK PARK.>>MADAME SPEAKER: YEAH.
BUT JUST A SECOND QUARTER SEC. COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS, YOU HAD
A POINT OF ORDER.>>COUNCILLOR KARYGIANNIS:
THANK YOU MADAME SPEAKER. I’M LOOKING FOR YOUR GUIDANCE.
I THINK THE THING IN QUESTION ISRAEL WAY PARK, RAIL DECK PARK
WE ARE SPEAKING TO THAT. NOT SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT
SOMEBODY SPENT OUTSIDE THE — OUTSIDE CITY BUSINESS.
NOT SPEAKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE THAT SAYS IF — IF THE
MEMBER HAS COMMON SPECIFIC TO THAT I WOULD SAY TO YOU THAT HE
HAS TO STICK TO THAT AND NOT TAKE ON OTHER COLLEAGUES.
WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND WHAT THEY HAVE NOT DONE OR WHAT THEY
HAVE SAID AND HAVE NOT SAID. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY
INAPPROPRIATE IN THIS CHAMBER AND MADAME SPEAKER I’M LOOKING
TO YOUR LEADERSHIP TO PUT A STOP TO IT ONCE AND FOR ALL.
THANK YOU MADAME SPEAKER.>>OKAY.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: POINT OF PRIVILEGE.
COUNCELLOR MAMMOLITI.>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI: WELL,
I AM ENTERTAINED BY ACOUNCILLOR MATLOW AND HIS VERSION OF WHAT
IS RESPONSIBLE OR NOT. THERE IS A CLEAR DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN AN FCM CONFERENCE AND WHICH HOTEL COSTS A SIGNIFICANT
AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT. IS THE HOLE TELL’S THEY CHOOSE
TELL THE HOTELS THEY CHOOSE $3 MILLION FOR A POODLE PARK.
IF YOU WANT COUNCILLOR MATLOW THROUGH THE CHAIR TO COMPARE A
CONFERENCE I WAS AT AND THE COST OF A HOTEL THAT THE FCM
CHOOSES AS ONE OF THEIR VENUE, OVER A $3 BILLION POODLE PARK,
GO FOR IT. GO FOR IT.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: OKAY. COUNCELLOR MAMMOLITI, THE
PROBLEM IS THAT WHAT TRIGGERED THIS DEBATE IS December 5, 2017
YOU MENTIONED THIS AS A POODLE PARK WHICH IS
VERY OFFENSIVE. NO.
SO COUNCILLOR MATLOW AS FAR AS YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE
CONFERENCE AND THAT I’LL ASK YOU TO — I’LL ASK YOU TO
WITHDRAW THAT — THOSE COMMENT COMMENTS, PLEASE.
>>COUNCILLOR MATALOW: I WOULD BE HAPPY TO WITHDRAW THOSE
COMMENTS THAT I JUST READ OFF C CVC.CA.
BUT ULTIMATELY, ULTIMATELY,>>
>>MADAME SPEAKER: AND I’M SAYING THAT HE — HE APOLOGIZE
ED AND THAT IS ACCEPTABLE. THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR MATLOW.>>COUNCILLOR MATLOW: AND
INDEED THE POINT THAT I WAS MAKING
>>>>
>> IS THAT SORT OF DEV>>
>>ISICE RHETORIC WHETHER IT IS AROUND
TRANSIT OR RAIL DECK PARK OR WHETHER IT IS OUR AREA OF THE
CITY VERSUS ANOTHER AREA OF THE CITY.
IT DOESN’T HELP US MOVE FORWARD FORWARD.
JUST BECAUSE COUNCIL MAY SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH —
AND AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT A SEVEN STOP LRT.
IN SCARBOROUGH. THE — LIKE A ONE STOP SUBWAY
BUT I BELIEVE WE BOTH CARE ABOUT SCARBOROUGH.>>IT DOESN’T HELP US AND
DOESN’T HELP THE PEOPLE IN HIS WARD WHO MAY ONE DAY DECIDE TO
LIVE IN HIS WARD OR ANYWHERE ELSE AND VICE-VERSA WE ALL
RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE EVIDENCE AND FACTS TO>>ONCE AGAIN I WANT TO
ACKNOWLEDGE BOTH MAYOR TORY AND COUNCILLOR CRESSY LONG WITH ALL
OF YOU WHO ARE SUPPORTING THIS EXPLORATION.
TO IMPROVE OUR CITY FOR EVERY SINGLE TORONTARIANS AND
EVERYONE THAT VISITS OUR CITY, TOO.
>>MADAME SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR MCMAHON.
>>THANK YOU MADAME SPEAKER. SO I’M JUST OVER HERE BECAUSE I
WANT TO USE THE OVERHEAD IN A MINUTE.
BUT I WILL JUST SAY FROM MY EXPERIENCE, WORKING WITH OUR
DYNAMIC PARKS STAFF I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM GETTING
THINGS DONE IN MY PARKS. IN FACT IN THE SEVEN SHORT
YEARS I HAVE BEEN HERE THAT WE’VE HAD I WORKED WELL WITH
THEM. THEY WORKED GREAT TOGETHER WITH
ME TO IMPROVE MAKING AN IMPROVEMENT IN EVERY SINGLE ONE
OF MY PARKS IN MY WARD BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DID
TOGETHER. SO I’M NOT SURE WHY IT TAKES
ANOTHER COUNCILLOR WHO HAS BEEN IN FOR 17 YEARS AND UNABLE TO
GET THE GRASS CUT OR SWING SET OR OTHER IMPROVEMENTS.
SO I REALLY SURPRISED AT THAT. BUT I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT
WHY. WHY WE NEED RAIL DECK PARK AND
NOT — I’LL SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES FIRST OFF.
THAT COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA IF YOU
COULD PAY ATTENTION THIS IS GOOD FOR YOU.
OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IT OTHER WORLD CLASS CITIES SO YOU HAVE
MELBOURNE AND CHICAGO. WE KNOW MILLENNIUM PARK.
BOSTON. TEXAS.
DALLAS, TEXAS. MUNICH AND TORONTO NEXT.
SO IT IS NOT SOME OFF-THE-WALL IDEA RANDOM IDEA AND IT IS DONE
SUCCESSFULLY IN OTHER CITIES AND DONE IN TORONTO.
YOU KNOW WE ALWAYS ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SUBURBS COMING UP
SHORT. THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD DO REAL
DECK PARK. EQUITY IN GREEN SPACE AND HOW
DOWNTOWNERS ARE ACTUALLY DE DEPRIVED SCARBOROUGH IS MUCH
HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE. OF AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE PEREZ
DENT. AND SO I JUST WANT YOU TO TAKE
A LOOK AT THAT AND REALIZE IT IS NOT — AGAIN IT IS NOT A
DIVISIVE SUBURB AGAINST THE DOWNTOWN ARGUMENT.
AND IT IS GREEN SPACE BENEFITS EVERYONE.
AS WE KNOW. MENTALLY PHYSICALLY AND
SPIRITUALLY ACCESS TO NATURE IMPROVES — IMPROVES YOUR
QUALITY OF LIFE AND YOUR HAPPINESS. AS FAR AS THE MONEY THIRD ISSUE
AS TO WHY. IT IS NOT WE’RE LOOKING AT
OTHER ALL KINDS OF CREATIVE OUTSITE LOOKING AT IT
SUCCESSFULLY IN OTHER CITIES AND IT IS BEING DONE RIGHT NOW
IN TORONTO WITH THE BENTWAY AND WE’RE LOOKING AT PHILANTHROPY
AND AS YOU GO WE’RE REVIEWING OUR SECTION 42 FINANCING.
AND MY LAST POINT IS INTERESTING THAT ACTUALLY EL
ELSATED PARK WAS PROPOSEED DURING A MARIEL CAMPAIGN A
WHILE AGO AND — BY A WARD 7 COUNCILLOR CANDIDATE AT THE
TIME. MR. GEORGE DID PROPOSE AN
ELEVATED PARK. AND SO I’M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE
JUST HAD A MENTAL BLOCK IN TO THAT BUT HE WAS QUITE
SUPPORTIVE OF THE RAIL DECK THEN OF AN ELEVATED PARK.>>MADAME SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR
HART.>>COUNCILOR HART: THANK YOU,
SPEAKER. ONE OF THESE MENTIONED THAT ALL
PARTS OF THE CITY SHOULD BE TREATED EQUALLY AND I AGREE
100%. AS THE COUNCILLOR WHO PROBABLY
REPRESENTS THE GREENEST WARD IN THE CITY, I STAND UP 100% RAIL
DECK PARK. MY SON MOVED DOWNTOWN THIS
SUMMER TO 1 KING STREET WEST AND SAID TO ME, TWO THINGS.
I LOVE IT DOWNTOWN. IT IS SO VIBRANT.
SO MUCH TO DO. TRANSIT IS FANTASTIC.
EVERYTHING IS AT MY DOORSTEP. BUT I MISS TWO THINGS.
I SAID WHAT IS THAT? I SAID I MISS THE SON.
I MISS ALL THINGS GREEN.>>MADAME SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR
MAMMOLITI YOUR POINT OF PRIVILEGE.
>>COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI: I CAN’T TELL YOU HOW MUCH I LOVE
PEOPLE STANDING UP AND USING THE NAME.
AS LONG AS YOU SAY IT RIGHT IT IS FANTASTIC.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT I DID.
THROUGH YOU MADAME SPEAKER. WHEN I RAN FOR MAYOR.
YES. BUT IT WAS A PRIVATE —
>>MADAME SPEAKER: COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI THAT IS NOT A POINT
OF PRIVILEGE. I’M SORRY. LEE LEE TO SPEAK
>>COUNSELOR LEE.>>COUNCILLOR LEE: I RISE TO
SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION ON
THE RAIL DECK PARK. I RECENTLY HAD THIS IN MY AREA
AND ONE PERSON ASKED ME WE CAN BE RAIL DECK PARK OR DEVELOPERS
CAN BE DOING THAT. AND SURE ENOUGH .3 HERE WE’RE
DEVELOPING STRATEGY FOCUS. SO NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA
AND AFTER WE STARTED THE STRATEGY WE DO WHAT IS FINANC
FINANCING THIS PARK. EVERY ONE IN TORONTO AND SPACE
AND YOU HAVE TO LOSE ALL THE
MONEY TO BE PUT THROUGH TO RAIL DECK PARK.
IT IS DISINGENIOUS AND ATTENTION GETTING.
AND ATTENTION GETTING. OKAY.
AND HE WAS RIGHT. HE’S TRYING TO GET ATTENTION.
OKAY. AND I THINK MY COLLEAGUE HERE
KEEPS MENTIONING MY NAME. I NEED THINGS IN MY AREA.
ALL NEED THINGS IN MY AREA. BUT HE HAS THE PARK WHICH IS A
NICE PARK IN THE AREA. WITH A SOUND IN IT. BEAUTIFUL SOUND IN THE
COMMUNITY CENTER. I HAVE A PARK IN MY AREA.
A PARK. ALL OF US DO.
MOST OF US IN THE SUBURBS DO. NOT AWE SUBURB DOWNTOWN DEVICE.
ALL RESIDENTS OF THIS BIG CITY OF OURS AND WE SHOULD BE
HELPING EACH OTHER. MAKE IT LIVEABLE.
MAKE IT LOOKABLE. AND MAKE IT BETTER. I FULLY SUPPORT BECAUSE THIS IS
BASED ON PROVIDING THE>>
NECESSARYPROVIDING LIVING THE CONDITIONS IN
THE NECESSARY LIVING CONDITIONS IN THE AREA
AREA. .
SO I FULLY SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU.>>COUNCILLOR PALACIO.
>>COUNCILLOR PALACIO: THANK YOU.
I’M RISING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE US
>>I HAD LEE. I CAN TO TO SPEAK
IN FAVOR OF THE GREEN SPACE. THE CREATION OF THE SPACE IN
ANY OF THE SERIES. THIS PART OF TOWN, IN THE
DOWNTOWN IS IS TREMENDOUS. IT’S GENTRIFYING AS OTHER PARTS
OF THE CITY AS WELL. THERE’S A NEED FOR MORE GREEN
SPACE, CREATION OF THE SPACE. THE UNION SPACE RED CORRIDOR
PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY OF A LIFETIME.
AND I THINK THESE IS WHAT HE MEANS WITH THE PART, IS IT A
LITTLE BIT OF A PROJECT THAT HE WILL ADD SO MUCH VALUE TO THE
CITY OF TORONTO? TO ALL OF US I ARE RESPECT TIFF
OF WHERE WE LIVE. THIS IS A CITY BUILDING PROJECT
PROJECT. THIS IS SERVING ALL THE OTHER
PARTS OF THE CITY. 17 DAVENPORT IS VERY PARK LAND
EFFICIENT. AND I MEAN, I CAN SEE STAFF.
FOR YEARS, TO HELP TO US ACQUIRE SOME LAND, EITHER
THROUGH THE CORRIDOR IS — IT
CAN YET REQUIRE A VERY LITTLE COST JUST THROUGH LEASE
AGREEMENTS. BY DOING SO, WE ARE BREATHING
SOME LIFE AND VITALITY INTO THESE COMMUNITIES THAT NEED SO
MUCH, AND WHAT’S THE COST? AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
NOW, THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT WITH THIS PROPOSED PARK THAT
WE’RE TALKING, THE DOWNTOWN, THAT’S GOING TO REAP TREMENDOUS
BENEFITS TO THE RESIDENTS THERE THERE, BUT THE SUBMISSION
REPORT, TO TOURISTS, AND THE CITY IN GENERAL.
AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY OF A LIFETIME , THIS ONCE IN A
GENERATION OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE SHOULDN’T MISS.
I KNOW THAT THIS PARK HAS OTHER LANDS OF CREATING WEALTH.
WE REALLY NEED PEOPLE TO TREASURE, WILL INCREASE THE
QUALITY OF LIFE, HEALTH, AND SUSTAINABILITY OF, IN THIS CASE
CASE, IN THE DOWNTOWN OF OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY.
THAT’S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I SUPPORT WHOLEHEARTEDLY WHAT’S
BEFORE US. THANK YOU, SPEAKER. I RISE IF SUPPORT OF THE ITEM
IN FRONT OF US TO ADVANCE THE STAGE TWO WORK PLAN FOR RAIL
DAY PARK. AS A MEMBER OF COUNCIL WHO
REPRESENTS AN WEAR THAT’S OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN CORE, I
JUST WANT TODAY DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT I’VE
HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH MY RESIDENTS ABOUT RAIL DECK PARK.
AND IN FACT, THE CONVERSATION WAS WHY DO WE NEED IT?
WHY DO WE WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON IT?
WHY DO WE HAVE TO BENEFIT FROM IT?
AND I UNDERSTAND THE REASONS WHY WE NEED IS T IT AND THE
FACT THAT THEY WILL, IN FACT, BENEFIT FROM IT.
THEY TALK ABOUT THE MONEY. THEY TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT
WE’RE WASTE AGO LOT OF MONEY ON A VENTURE LIKE THIS.
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE TALKS ABOUT HOW THEY’RE LOOKING
AT RAISING FUNDS TO SUPPORT, OBVIOUSLY, THE DEVELOPMENT OF RAIL DECK PARK. IF MEMBERS ARE INCLINED TO DO
WHAT’S BEST OF THE CITY, THIS IS ONE INITIATIVE WE HAVE TO
STAND BEHIND, BECAUSE IT HAS HUGE RAMIFICATION OF BENEFITS.
YES T DOES HAVE THE ISSUE WITH RESPECT TO COSTS AND THE
QUESTION IS ALWAYS, WE DIDN’T HAVE THE MONEY.
WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM? WE’VE MADE PLANS TO BUY LIGHT
RAIL VEHICLES ON THE STREETS
THAT WE’RE WAITING FOR. WE’VE MADE A LOT OF PLANS WITH
RESPECT TO NOT HAVING THE RESOURCES READYILY AVAILABLE.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT (AUDIO ACCEPTING.) — AUDIO
SKIPPING.) RENEWAL IN THIS AREA
AREA. WE HAVE A PLAN TO DO THAT.
WE OUGHT NOT TO SIMPLY TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT, WELL, I
DON’T HAVE A RAIL DECK PARK, SO COUNCILLOR CRESSY CAN’T HAVE A
RAIL DECK PARK AND I DON’T HAVE THIS AND I DON’T HAVE THAT AND
YOU CAN’T HAVE IT EITHER. THAT IS NOT THE REASONS WHY
WE’RE HERE. WE’RE HERE TO MAKE GOOD,
EFFECTIVE DECISIONS IN THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY.
ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL BENEFIT. WHEN I LIVED AT HARBOR FRONT
MANY YEARS AGO, I USED TO WALK AROUND WITH MY YOUNG SON AND
PUSH HIM IN HIS STROLLER. PEOPLE FROM ACROSS THE CITY
WOULD GO TO HARBOR FRONT, BECAUSE REALLY, THAT WAS THEIR
VACATION SPOT. THAT WAS THEIR COTTAGE IN THE
CITY. THE CONTRIBUTION THAT THE CITY
CONTINUES TO MAKE TO HARBOR FRONT IS OF BENEFIT TO ALL
RESIDENTS, NOT JUST THE RESIDENTS FROM THE IMMEDIATE
WATERFRONT AREA. I USE THAT AS A MINOR EXAMPLE
RESPECT TO REAL DECK PARK. HAVING TRAVELED AND DONE
ECONOMIC WORK IN THE CITY ON BEHALF OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
YOU SEE AROUND THE WORLD WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.
IF WE ARE A WORLD CLASS CITY AND APPEAR TO BE SUCH, WE OUGHT
TO BE INNOVATIVE AND PROGRESSIVE.
THIS IS A PROGRESSIVE, INNOVATIVE ASPECT OF OUR
ADVANCEMENT AND OUR DEVELOPMENT AND I THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO
RECOGNIZE WHY WE ARE HERE. WE ARE HERE TO DO THE BEST FOR
ALL THE RESIDENTS IN TORONTO, NOT TO BE PAROCHIAL.
>>THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR THOMPSON.
COUNCILLOR SHIN ?
SHIN SHIN THANK YOU, –>>COUNCILLOR SHIN: I
REPRESENT THE NORTH EAST CORNER OF THE CITY, THE FURTHER I
WOULD SAY FROM HERE. MOST LIKELY THE FURTHEST FROM
THE STRONG DECK PARK. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I THINK
MANY OF US ARE NOT NOTICING A TREND WHERE A LOT OF THE
SUBURBAN POPULATION, SOME OF THE YOUNG ONES ARE MOVING OUT
INTO THE 901. MANY ARE MOVE INWARD INTO THE
DOWNTOWN TO START THEIR LIFE AND KIND OF COME TO A MORE
URBAN, MORE — A LOT OF YOUNG
PEOPLE STARTING THEIR CAREERS ARE HAVING CHILDREN AND MANY OF
THESE CHILDREN ARE IN SEARCH OF PUBLIC SPACE.
SO IT’S VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND AND TO BE RESPECTFUL
THAT A FAMILY FRIENDLY IS A MUST FOR US AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO I’M IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS, AND I THINK IF YOU WANT
TO BUILD A STRONG GENERATION OF CITIZENS, RESIDENTS IN THE CITY
OF TORONTO, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE
TO PROVIDE A WHOLESOME EXPERIENCE FOR OUR CHIN.
THE SECOND THING I WANT TO TAKE A CAUTION IS I KNOW COUNCILLOR
CRESSY MENTIONED [INDISCERNIBLE] SO I WOULD LIKE
TO SEE THIS EVEN ONE STEP FURTHER, BECAUSE I KNOW IN MY
ERA LOT OF MY RESIDENTS HAVEN’T STEPPED.
I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT WHO HAVEN’T BEEN ANYWHERE ON TOP OF
THE TOWER. SO I THINK THIS HAS TO BE AN
EQUALIZER. IF YOU’RE TRYING TO VISION A
PARK IN THE DOWNTOWN, IT HAS TO BE AN EQUALIZER T HAS TO BE A
PLACE THAT IS AFFORDABLE. IT HAS TO BE A PLACE THAT’S
ACCESSIBLE IN ALL FORMS AND TO BE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN
PUBLIC HANDS. SO I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF
CONVERSATIONS AROUND DOWNTOWN. UNFORTUNATELY, THE REALITY THAT
SOME OF US HAVE TO FACE, AND IT’S IMPORTANT, WHY DO I
SUPPORT THIS? WHY DO I SUPPORT MANY THINGS
HAPPENING DOWNTOWN? I DON’T WANT TO LECTURE THEM AS
TO THE SOLUTION. I COULD BE STANDING HERE AND
SAY, WHY NOT HAVE HUNDREDS MORE MORE CLOSE TO YOUR APARTMENT
THAN TO HAVE ONE BIG PARK? AND THESE ARE THE KIND OF
DISCUSSIONS THAT I COULD BE PRESCRIBING, BUT IT’S VERY,
VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE LOCAL REALITIES, AND
SOMETIMES SCARBOROUGH COUNSELORS WILL SET UP HERE TO
SUPPORT INITIATIVE LIKE RAIL DECK PARK AND FEEL LIKE OUR
VERSION OF OUR PRICE OF OUR REALITIES ARE NOT — WE STAND
HERE AND SUPPORT A VISION NARE PROJECTOR LIKE THIS, BECAUSE
VISION IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TRANSIT
PLANNING, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING PLANNING, THERE IS A
VISION THAT IS NOT JUST KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THIS IS TOO MUCH
MONEY. THIS IS TOO MUCH MONEY.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE SEE SOME OF THE MOST PROGRESSIVE VOICES
COMPLAINING ABOUT A LOT OF MONEY BEING SPENT ON THINGS
THAT NEED TO BE SPENT ON. SO I WOULD CAUTION THAT AND SAY
THIS IS MY CLEAR PLEDGE OF SUPPORT TO RAIL DECK PARK.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT EQUALIZER FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED
NEED TO FRO THEIR FAMILIES IN A WHOLESOME FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT
AND I’M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THIS FLOURISH IN THE
COMING YEARS. THANK YOU.
>>THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR?
>> I’LL JUST BEGIN QUICKLY BY ECHOING I GUESS BOTH
COUNCILLORS IN HERE. KEEL A PAGE FROM COUNCILLOR
KELLY’S BOOK. DEFINITELY OUR CITY WOULD
BENEFIT FROM A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
IT SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT THE SUBURBS AND DOWNTOWN CORE. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE
TRAIN HAS LEFT THE STATION. OKAY?
(AUDIO SKIPPING) SO YOU’VE
GOTTEN TOKERS THAT ARE LONG GONE WITH [AUDIO SKIPPING] THAT’S THE PROBLEM RIGHT FROM.
THE PROVINCE, WHEN THEY’VE REVIEWED THE DEVELOPMENT
CHARGES ACT OVER THE LAST FEW YEAR, I WAS THERE ON BEHALF OF
COUNCIL ON THE NEEDS OF THE CITY, TOLD US TO TAKE A HIKE.
SO IT’S GOODS THAT IT’S IN THERE.
BUT IT’S THE PROVINCE WHO REFUSES TO ENSURE THAT
DEVELOPMENT OR DEVELOPERS PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO BRING
PEOPLE INTO THE CITY. IT’S NOT WORKING.
IT’S VERY BROKEN. AND UNTIL THEY STEP UP, AND I
REMEMBER WHEN I IMPUTE BASED ON BEHALF OF THIS COUNCIL AND I
SAID THE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE, THAT
INCREASING THE PRICE OF DEVELOPMENT CHARGES WOULD NOT
INCREASE THE PRICE OF TEMPERATURES.
I REMEMBER I GUESS WHO IS NOW THE MINISTER OF HOUSING WHO WAS
THERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROVINCE THAT LOOKED AT ME AND SAID, BUT
ISN’T TORONTO HAVING THE LOWEST TAX JURISDICTION IN ALL THE GT
GTA? WE SHOULD JUST RAISE OUR TAXES.
THE RAIL PART IS A MUST T HAS TO HAPPEN.
FREIGHT CITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE THIS. IF WE INCREASE DEVELOPMENT
CHARGES OR CASH IN LIEU, IT’S PAUSE THEY’RE ALREADY PAYING
TOO LOW AND WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF NEEDS ACROSS THE CITY.
WE NEED TO BE HONEST WITH PEOPLE.
I’LL BE SUPPORTING THIS, BUT LOOKING REAL ESTATE, ARE HE
WOULD CLOSELY AT WHAT’S GOING COME IN COMING YEARS.
THANK YOU. LAST SPEAKER?
MAYOR TORE.>>MARY: THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
MADAM SPEAKER. I FOUND THIS TO BE GOOD WITHOUT
EXCEPTION. AND 10 SHOWS THE COUNCIL
ASEITIES BEST. I’LL COME BACK TO THE MATTER OF
SOMETHING DESCRIBED AS A DOG WHEN IN FACT I THINK IT IS A
SHINING EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. THE WORK THAT HAS TO GET DONE
GETS DONE BY THE CITY. I THINK THEY’LL DO A GREAT JOB
BRINGING IT THIS FAR. I FIND WHEN I GO ACROSS THE
CITY, I TWO A LOT OF DIFFERENT EVENTS.
PEOPLE ACTUALLY TAKE MUCH MORE OF A KIND OF ALL FOR ONE AND
ONE FOR ALL APPROACH THAN WE THINK.
AND THOSE WHO COME HERE AND SAY MY PEOPLE DON’T WANT THIS FOR
THE CITY, DON’T WANT THINGS THAT ARE GOOD, I THINK DON’T
FULLY REPRESENT OR MAYBE THEY’RE JUST LISTENING TO
SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR.
I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE FACT THAT WHAT
IS GOING TO DEFINE IT, NOT THE WALT OF LIFE WHERE ANY
PARTICULAR PERSON SETS AND OUR OBLIGATION, WHETHER IT IS ON
TRANSIT AND WHETHER IT IS ON PARKS AND WHETHER IT IS ON
SHELTERS OR, BE, A LONG, LONG LIST OF THINGS WE CAN TALK
ABOUT REALLY REQUIRES ALL OF U US, BECAUSE WHILE WE WERE
SEPTEMBER HERE TO REPRESENT A WAR, THE REASON THAT EVERYBODY
WAS GIVEN A VOTE ON CITYWIDE MATTERS IS SO WE WOULD ALL N
THAT INSTANCE, TAKE THE CITYWIDE RESPECTFULLY AND SAY,
WHAT IS BEST FOR THE WHOLE CITY? I THINK WHAT IS GOOD FOR SCORE
BRO IS GOOD FOR TOBECO AND I ACTUALLY LEAD MOST OF THE
PEOPLE WE COLLECTIVELY REPRESENT.
I REPRESENT THEM ALL I DON’T
KNOW HOW MANY OF REMEMBER THE DOCUMENTARY ABOUT SICK OH.
ONE OF THOSE MICHAEL MOORE DOCUMENTARIES.
AND HE WAS ON A GOLF CART WITH A CANADIAN DOCTOR WHEN HE WAS
TRYING TO MAKE THE CASE, OF COURSE, THAT OUR HEALTHCARE
SYSTEM WAS BETSER AND TURNS TO THE DOCTOR AND HE SAYS, PEOPLE
THAT LIVE HERE, THEY PAY THEIR HEALTH PREMIUMS.
DON’T THEY GET UPSET IN THEY DON’T HAVE ANY HEALTH PROBLEMS
AND THE GUY DOWN THE STREET HAS A CREW GROUPAL BYPASS AND IT
COSTS THE SYSTEM A FORTUNE? I WAS PROUD TO BE CANADIAN.
THE DOCTOR SAID, DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?
THAT’S THE WHOLE IDEA. THAT WE DO THESE THINGS
TOGETHER AND THAT WE BUILD UP A GREAT COUNTRIES AND MAKE SURE
WE ALL STAY HEALTHY AND IT’S THE SAME WITH BUILDING PARKS
AND BUILDING TRANSIT AND LOOKING AFTER PEOPLE WHO NEED
SHELTER. I JUST THINK THIS IS A PROJECT
THAT WILL AT ONE TIME BE BEST. SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO
REMEDY SOMETHING THAT EXISTS DOWNTOWN WITH RESPECT TO PARK
LAND AND CHANNELS RIGHT. THAT WAS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN OVER A
LONG PERIOD OF TIME. NOT DELIBERATELY WHEN PEOPLE
SAID LET’S SIT AROUND AND MAKE SURE THERE’S NO PARKS DOWNTOWN.
WE SOMEHOW MANAGED TO PASS THE DEVELOPMENTS EASIER THAN WE
MANAGED TO APPROVE THE PARKS. AND SECONDLY, IT IS GOING TO BE
AN ICONIC PARK FOR PEOPLE ACROSS THE CITY.
THEY WILL COME AND VISIT IT BY THE THOUSANDS AND BY THE
MILLIONS AS THEY DO. LOOK FOR FURTHER THAN LONDON
AND NEW YORK AND OTHER CITIES. YOU COULD NAME A WHOLE BUNCH OF
CITIES WHERE THESE GREAT PUBLIC ATTRACTIONS ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM
ALL OVER THOSE CITIES, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE THERE TO ENJOY
IT. AND THEN FINALLY, OF COURSE,
THIS IS GOING TO BE A PARK THAT IS GOING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE FROM
ALL OVER THE WORLD. IT’S GOING TO BE ICONIC BECAUSE
FURTHER TO THE COMMENTS OF COUNCILLOR CHIN, WE’RE GOING TO
DO IT RIGHT, ACCESSIBLE, AND WE’RE GOING TO DO IT SO IT IS
JUST A PLACE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE.
SO I JUST THINK AGAIN PEOPLE WHO TALK ABOUT IT BEING THE
SUBURBS VERSUS DOWNTOWN ARE PLAYING POLITICAL GAMES.
THAT’S WHAT THEY’RE DOING. BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT THE CITY
AS A WHOLE AND EVERYBODY BENEFITING IT AND I LOOK AT THE
COST, MADAM SPEAKER, AND I SAY COST VERSUS PARKS IN SMALL
CHUNKS, WE’VE HEARD ABOUT THAT. THE COST OF THIS IS NO MORE OR
EVEN LESS PERHAPS THAN THE COST OF BUYING A WHOLE BUNCH OF
LITTLE PARKS THAT YOU COULD BARELY HAVE THREE FAMILIES HAVE
A PICNIC IN IF YOU’RE BUYING THIS DOWNTOWN OR LOTS OF PARK
IN THE CITY, AND THEN THERE’S THE COST RELEVANT I HAVE TO
DOING NOTHING AND I WILL JUST
ASK TWO QUESTIONS TO CONCLUDE. WHAT WILL PEOPLE BE SAYING
ABOUT THIS? 25 YEARS?
AND I BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE TESTS THAT I CERTAINLY TRY TO
APPLY TO THIS, WHAT ARE WE DOING TODAY THAT WILL MAKE SURE
WE’RE ONE OF THE MOSTLIABLE CITIES IN THE WORLD IN 25 YEARS
YEARS? THOSE ARE THE DECISIONS WE MAKE
TODAY. I BELIEVE THEY’D SAY YES, 25
YEARS FROM NOW TO THIS PARK. AND THE SECOND QUESTION I ASK
AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR MEETING TODAY AND THAT IS THIS.
WHICH CHOICE WOULD PEOPLE MAKE FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY
TODAY? ONE, THE STATUS QUO.
IT’S NECESSARY, BUT NOT FULFILLING ANY PRODUCTIVE
PURPOSE BEYOND THE TRAINS. NUMBER TWO, MORE CONDO TOWERS.
I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THOSE IN THAT PARTICULAR PART OF TOWN
TOWN. AND NUMBER THREE BE ICONIC,
HISTORICALLY IDENTIFIED DOCUMENT.
NOT A DOG, I SAY WITH RESPECT TO MY FRIEND NEXT TO ME, BUT A
GEM THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THANK THE COUNCIL OF THIS DAY
FOR PUTTING THE INVESTMENT AND THEIR HEARTS BEHIND TO GET IT
DOWN, THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.>>MADAM SPEAKER: THANK YOU:
OKAY. LET’S GO.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE’S ONLY ONE MOTION. MOTION BY COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI,
RECORDED VOTE.>> MEMBERS, WE WERE LATE
OPENING THE VOTE. MAKE SURE YOU PRESS ONE OF THE
BUTTONS. COINER CARROLL?
COUNCILLOR THOMPSON? WE WERE LATE OPENING THE VOTE. TOWNER PULMONARY, COUNCILLOR
PRESBYTERIAN, COUNCILLOR FLETCHER?
COUNSELOR DI GIORGIO, PLEASE?>>COUNCILLOR CRIMES, PLEASE.>> COUNCILLOR SHINEER AND
COUNCILLOR PASTERNAK? COUNCILLOR DUE SET, PLEASE?
COUNCILLOR MCMAHON, PLEASE? THE MOTION DOES NOT CARRY.
THE VOTE IS SIX-33. COME ON, SHAKE MY HAND.>>SOMEBODY CALLED UPON ME TO
VOTE AGAIN. SOMEBODY WILL HAVE TO — I
WOULD ASK THAT WE REOPEN THE VOTE.
>>MOTION TO REOPEN, ALL IN FAVOR, IT CARRIED.
SO LET’S TRY THIS AGAIN. NOW, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE
MAYOR HAS DONE THIS. THE SECOND.
I DON’T REMEMBER THE OTHER TIM TIME.
OKAY. ON THE ITEM, COUNCILLOR
MAMMOLITI’S MOTION, WE’RE VOTING ON COUNCILLOR MAMMOLITI
RIGHT NOW.>>COUNCILLOR LAYTON, PLEASE?>> THE MOTION DOES NOT CARRY.
THE VOTE IS FOUR TO 35. OKAY.
RECORDED VOTE. OH, YES. MEMBERS, WE’RE GOING TO BE
VOTING, BUT THERE’S NO TWO ITEM ITEM.
FIRST PAGE 4, DX29.2, THE RAIL DECK PARK.
WE’RE VOTING ON THAT FIRST. RECORDED VOTE. COUNCILLOR DI GIORGIO, PLEASE?
DOWNER LAYTON, PLEASE — COUNCILLOR LAYTON, PLEASE.>> MARIA SHARAPOVA: THE ITEM
CARRY I HAD 35-4678 THE NEXT ITEM IS PAGE 14, WHICH IS T28.
T28.7, RAIL DECK PARK, OFFICIAL PLAN AMENDMENT, RECORDED VOTE.>>COUNCILLOR LAYTON, PLEASE.
>>COUNCILLOR COLE AND COUNCILLOR BRAGG WHEN YOU’RE
SEATED.>>THE ITEM CARRIES, 36-FOUR.
>>OKAY. THANK YOU.>>MEMBERS AND COUNCIL?
HELLO. CAN YOU HEAR ME?
IT’S 25 TO 6:00 AND WE ARE GOING TO RECESS AT 6:00.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE HAVE A COUPLE MEMBERS’ MOTIONS THAT
HAVE TO BE INTRODUCED, AND WHY DON’T WE SEE IF WE CAN DO SOME
QUICK ITEMS? RIGHT?
THERE’S NO POINT IN STARTING THE NEXT ITEM, BECAUSE WE’VE
ONLY GOT 20 MINUTES. OKAY. COUNCILLOR ROBINSON?
>>COUNCILLOR ROBINSON: I HAVE A QUICK RELEASE.
SO IT’S PW25.6.>>WHAT PAGE?
>>COUNCILLOR ROBINSON: THAT’S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
GARY? WHAT PAGE?
I’M SORRY. I’M NOT ON THE — I HAVEN’T
HAVE PUSHED THE BUTTON SO QUICKLY.
GARY IS ON THIS.>>PAGE 10, PW25.9.
NEXT STEPS?>>THAT IS IT.
THANK YOU. SO I’D LIKE TO RELEASE THAT.
>>NO. IT’S 25.9.
>>WHY DO YOU WANT THIS?>>IT’S JUST THE WORD FROM.
>>NO. IT’S PW25.6 AND YOU ADDED —
>>I’M SORRY. SO YOU’D WANT TO RELEASE
PARKING TIME LIMIT?>>THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT.
>>OKAY. SO COUNCILLOR ROBINSON IS RELEASING.
COUNCILLOR MY, ARE YOU OKAY
WITH THIS? MY MY NOT YET.
JUSTJUST A DUE DILIGENCE CALL.>>IS THERE A TECHNICAL MEND
MEANT FROM STAFF?>> ON THE RELEASE, ITEM PG24.
PG24.5, TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS.>> YOU’RE JUST RELEASING IT?
>>PAGE 9, PG24.5. COUNCILLOR DI GIORGIO IS
RELEASING ON FAVOR. CARRIED. COUNCILLOR FLETCHER?
>>COUNCILLOR FLETCHER: MADAM SPEAKER, PAGE 5.
IT IS ES29.8. FINALIZING THE CONSOLIDATION
OF CIVIC THEATER’S TORONTO. I’D LIKE TO MOVE THAT AND ALSO
JUST THANK EVERYONE FOR INCREDIBLE WORK IN GETTING US
TO THIS POINT, INCLUDING COUNCILLOR CRAWFORD, WHO HAS
SHOWED TREMENDOUS LEADERSHIP IN CONSOLIDATEING THESE THEATERS,
AND ALSO TO ALL THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF THAT HAVE
MADE THIS POSSIBLE.>>MADAM SPEAKER: THANK YOU.
ON PAGE 5, 29.8, COUNCILLOR FLETCHER IS RELEASING ON FAVOR.
CARRIED. DID YOU WANT A RECORDED VOTE?
OKAY. A RECORDED VOTE.>> COUNCILLOR, YOUR VOTE,
PLEASE?>>THE ITEM CARRIES, 38-ONE.
OKAY? COUNSELOR?
>> ON PAGE 3, PW24.3, I HAVE A MOTION IF STAFF CAN PUT IT UP.
QUICK RELEASE? GOING TO RELEASE 24.3, THE
UTILITY LOCATE SERVICES FOR BI BIA.
>>I DO. MADAM SPEAKER, IT’S GOING FROM
50% DONE FOR 100%. IT IS THERE AND IT’S A QUICK
RELEASE. VIAS. I’M HOLD IT GO AND I’LL
CONTINUE HOLDING IT.>>THAT’S WHY I WANTED TO
REPEAT IT. COUNCILLOR CRESSY?
>>COUNCILLOR CRESSY: THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
ON PAGE 17, ITEM CC 35.10, THAT IS 350, 370, AND 390, QUEENS
KEY WEST, OMB APPEAL, REQUEST FOR DIRECTION.
I HAVE A MOTION THAT HAS BEEN ADVANCE CIRCULATED THAT I CAN
MOVE NOW, WHICH IS TO CONTINUE TO OPPOSE THE APPLICATION.
>>YES. IT HAS BEEN CIRCULATED.
IT’S YOUR PINK?>>THAT’S RIGHT.
>>OKAY. SO COUNCILLOR CRESSY IS MOVING
THE AMENDMENT ON FAVOR.
CARRIED ON THE ITEM. THAT WAS THE ITEM.
I DON’T KNOW IF IT CARRIED. THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR DAVIS?
PGH>>COUNCILLOR DAVIS: I’M NOT SURE IF THIS IS — OH, IT
IS.>>MAYOR TORY: JUST IDENTIFIED
THAT. PAGE 14, THE BOTTOM, TE38.59.
COUNCILLOR PERKS HELD IT, BUT
WE WERE WAITING FOR A REPORT. SO THERE’S A SUPPLEMENTARY
REPORT. I’D LIKE TO MOVE TO DROP THE
RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE SUPPLEMENTARY REPORT.
SO ON PAGE 14, T28.59, PARK AGO AMENDMENTS, DRAFT MORE
BOULEVARD. SO IF WE CAN PUT — OKAY. THEY’RE NOT READY YET.
IT’S NOT THE RIGHT MOTION. COUNCILLOR SHINY?
>>COUNCILLOR SHINER: MADAM SPEAKER.
ON PAGE 4, BX29.7, DEVELOPMENT OF A LOW CARBON THERMAL ENERGY
NETWORK, I WOULD LIKE TO RELEASE THAT.
>>OKAY. CONNER SHEENER IS RELEASING ON
PAGE 4, EX29.7. ALL IN FAVOR?
CARRIED.>>COUNCILLOR SHINER: MADAM
SPEAKER? ON PAGE 4.
DX29.5, CITYWIDE REAL ESTATE, AMENDMENTS TO MUNICIPAL
CHAPTERS AND SHAREHOLDER DIRECTION.
I CAN ALSO RELEASE THAT, TOO.>> ON PAGE 4, EX29.5.
PARDON? COUNCILLOR SHINER IS RELEASING
. RECORDED VOTE. COUNCILLOR COLE?
COUNCILLOR TRACK, PLEASE?>> —
>>COUNCILLOR FRAGEDAKIS: , PLEASE?
>> THE ITEM CARRIES 36-TWO.
>> COUNCILLOR PALACIO?>>COUNCILLOR PALACIO: THANKS,
SPEAKER. PAGE 5, 29.19, I HAVE MY
QUESTIONS ANSWERED, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR RECORDED VOTE.
>>RECORDED VOTE?>>YES, PLEASE.
>>I’M SORRY. COUNCILLOR CRAWFORD?
>> I THINK THAT ITEM IS A TYP TYPED ITEM FOR THURSDAY?
SOLID WASTE BUDGET? IT’S TIMED FOR THURSDAY
MORNING MORNING. OH, OKAY.
THAT’S FINE. OKAY.
ANY MORE QUICKLY LEASES? RELEASES?
OKAY. SO ARE WE READY ?
DAVIS? YOU’RE INTRODUCING A MOTION?
PGH>>COUNCILLOR DAVIS: AM I? OH, YES. ABOUT A LIQUOR LICENSE FOR
2620.>>ON FAVOR?
CARRY? COUNCILLOR BURNSIDE?
>>COUNCILLOR BURNSIDE: THANK YOU.
INTRODUCING A MOTION. YOU CAN READ IT.>>SOUNDS REALLY URGENT.
>>IT IS AN IMPASSIONED PLEA. I CAN EXPLAIN IT IF YOU LIKE. I MAY AS WELL TALK ABOUT T WHY
NOT? ESSENTIALLY —
>>COUNCILLOR BURNSIDE?>>COUNCILLOR BURNSIDE: YEAH.
OH, THAT WAS HURTFUL. THAT WAS — IT’S VERY URGENT.
IT’S THE HERITAGE DEPARTMENT HAS DECIDE IT HAD WEIGH IN ON
THE MATTER, AND THAT’S WHY IT’S IN THE SITUATION.
>>OKAY. ON FAVOR?
CARRIED. COUNCILLOR CRESSY?
>>COUNCILLOR CRESSY: THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
THIS IS URGENT. REQUIRING AN ORDER TO COMPLETE
THE EXTENSION OF THE BENTWAY PROJECT.
>>ON FAVOR? CARRIED.
THAT IT? COUNCILLOR AUGIMERI?
AUGUST AUGUST LEAVE BE GRANTED TO INTRODUCE A BILL TO CONFIRM
TO THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS MOTION, THE PROCEEDINGS OF CITY
COUNCIL MEETING 35 ON DECEMBE DECEMBER 5TH, 2017.
>>SHALL LEAVE BE GRANTED TO INTRODUCE THIS BILL RECORDED
VOLT?>>COUNCILLOR MCMAHON, PLEASE?
COUNCILLOR DAVIS?>>COUNCILLOR COLE?
COUNCILLOR TROISI? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>THE MOTION TO CONFIRM THE
BILL CARRIES, 38 AND FAVOR.>>SHALL THIS BILL BE PASS AND
HAD DECLARED AS A BYLAW? RECORDED VOTE. ARE.
>> COUNCILLOR PERRUZZA, PLEASE PLEASE?
COUNCILLOR LAYTON? COUNCILLOR DAVIS?
COUNCILLOR FLETCHER?
COUNCILLOR COLLE? COUNCILLOR DI GIORGIO, PLEASE?
>> THE MOTION IS UNANIMOUS, 38 IN FAVOR 6789.
>> THANK YOU, MEMBERS. WE’LL RECESS TO TOMORROW, 9:
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