Film Theory: Rey is the Next Darth Vader! (Star Wars Episode 9 The Rise of Skywalker)


Milk does a body good That’s gross. Oh sure green milk grosses you all out but no one had any complaints back when I was drinking blue milk… Hello Internet Welcome to film theory where nothing in this entire vast universe can stop me from trying to correctly predict something ANYTHING about Star Wars. That’s right folks today I will pay my respects to the age-old belief that if you fail at something you should try try again Even if it threatens to turn you into the Jar Jar Binks of Star Wars theories I mean I’ve been wrong about Star Wars so many times that even me joking about being wrong about Star Wars is an opening that I’ve already used in a previous Star Wars video. A video where surprise surprise I end up being wrong yet again.. But in the words of someone important I forget exactly who: “Let the past die kill it if you have to” and so I have I’ve killed it burying it in the Middle of the Arizona desert burned off my fingerprints to make sure nothing has ever traced back to me And so I’m back to the scene of the crime with a solid idea of what’s gonna happen in the other major blockbuster finale we have coming out later this year: “Star Wars Episode nine: Rise of Skywalker” It’s a solid theory based on canon lore solid narrative beats seated into past movies even some necessary business decisions on the part of Disney, then again we’ve seen how much the last movie cared about all that stuff… *BRUH* Today’s theory all starts with one thing the laugh that lit the internet on fire *Palpatine laughing* Nope that’s not Pennywise at the end of the episode 9 trailer we get ourselves the iconic laugh of our old pal Sheev, Sheev Palpatine the evil emperor himself raisin face I mean what is this guy doing back outside a very clearly trying to win back fans be a nostalgia Prompt analysis videos like this one asking that very question but also fill in the obvious caping villain role that these movies now have after: But i mean Outside of small reasons like that from a narrative standpoint. What is she doing back here? Last we saw the Emperor, he was.. well.. kinda deader than a mannequin being thrown off the catwalk and exploding into an energy core why? How? I have so many questions and that is what our theory is today Predicting the role that Emperor Palpatine will play in the upcoming finale to the Star Wars and nonology You don’t hear too frequently people talking about nine part series as an nonology But that’s technically the correct term. Ladies and gentlemen, it is my belief that Sheev Palpatine Aka Darth Sidious Aka Dark Lord of the Sith himself Created Rey. That Rey is a part of an elaborate plot by the Emperor to live on even in the face of death Sounds extreme right? I know! It is That’s why it’s so exciting because it sounds so stupidly absurd and yet You know that I wouldn’t be claiming this in an episode of this show if I didn’t have any evidence to back it up [Rey]: “I feel the conflict in you, it’s tearing you apart” [JF]: “Ya tearing me apart Lisa”. So no more conflict friends. Let me show you what I got See if I can draw you over to my side of the force. First let’s take a look at Sheev himself. In Revenge of the Sith Palpatine tells a young Anakin Skywalker about the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise according to Palpatine: [Palpatine]: “Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise He could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create Life.” Now quick note here. With the release of the new Star Wars movies many people have called into question Controversial additions to the universe that were made during the prequels including most famously the midi-chlorians What are midi-chlorians? [Qui-Gon]: “Midi-chlorians are a microscopic life-form that resides within all living cells, they continually speak to us telling us the will of the force” Are these things still canon? I mean so many Star Wars fans want them to not be, but the official answer is: Yeah, Yeah They absolutely are. The rule of thumb here is that if it appears in the movies or if it appears in a few select books that were published after 2015 it is still canon And if we’re talking about questionable canonicity I mean heck in the last Jedi Luke uses a Doppelganger technique to trick Kylo Ren when fans jumped at the fact that this seemed like a brand-new Jedi trick coming out of nowhere writer and director Rian Johnson took to Twitter to prove that it was in “The Jedi Path” a manual for students of the force a 2010 book that wasn’t considered canon by Most, but to Rian Johnson it was fair game So basically what is and isn’t canon in this franchise can best be summarized like this: [Han]: “So we’ll figure it out” [Finn]: We’ll use The Force [Han]: “That’s not how The Force works!” *Chewie Growls* But that disclaimer aside Where were we again? Oh, yeah. [Palpatine]: “Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise he could use The Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create.. Life So we know that somewhere out there extreme sensitivity to the force allows for control over life itself So who is Darth Plagueis? Well, it doesn’t matter cuz he’s dead son Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew Then his apprentice killed him in his sleep When Anakin asks if it’s possible to learn the power to create life and keep people from dying Palpatine tells him Yes, but not from a Jedi What Palpatine doesn’t tell Anakin at the time is that Darth Plagueis’s apprentice Darth Sidious is none other than Emperor Palpatine himself and now we’re getting somewhere because this tells us that Palpatine does indeed have the power to create life using the force or at the very least has knowledge that the force can be used to manipulate Life-forms in some way but what cause would he have to do something like that? Well, though we don’t hear a lot about this in the films. It’s been very well established through supplemental canonical materials like shattered Empire Aftermath novels in the last Jedi expanded edition that Emperor Palpatine made numerous Contingency orders in the event of his early and untimely death and when I say numerous contingency plans, I don’t mean one I don’t mean two or even ten I am talking 150 I guess it’s best to be over-prepared as he himself says in the novel aftermath quote if an empire Sorry, it just kind of sounds wrong in my usual voice. I try this again frog voice [In Frog Voice]: Frog Voice, I’m the Emperor As I say in the novel aftermath: “If an empire cannot protect its Emperor then that Empire must be deemed a failure. It collapses not only because its central figure is gone, but because it must not be allowed to remain!” In short these contingency plans were meant to be a final screw you to everyone who had a hand in his death but like the most extreme screw you possible since you know the entailed mass death at a galactic scale, a giant self-destruct plan that eradicate the rebels while also cutting out most of his former Empire Eliminating all the weakness within it so that its strongest elements live on and rebuild to be stronger than before I’ve actually talked in depth about one of these particular plans over on game theory Operation: Cinder Which was the contingency plan featured prominently in Star Wars Battlefront 2 again a canonical source of lore where satellites were used to permanently change the climates of planets into hostile deadly storms Okay. So we’ve established that Palpatine has control over life and has a bunch of plans laid out for his untimely death It’s also probably worth noting here that one element of his contingency plan directly resulted in the creation of the first order Yeah I’m sure he wasn’t the only one wondering where these guys came from at the beginning of Star Wars Episode Seven. You go from Episode six with happy dancing teddy bears and another Death Star explosion given a final kick in the balls to the Empire and then suddenly the force awakens starts where it’s like: “Oh, yeah, there are these other new guys now” I mean I was in the theater being like: “WhAt?! where do they come from?” I’m sorry. All we’re given is that Luke leaves and suddenly the rebellion is like: “Whoops. We happen to let in the space Nazis Oh, yeah and PS: They also have a bigger death ball” dear rebellion here’s some real talk for ya If one space magician takes a vacation and he can’t detect a giant planet of death sneaking in under your noses maybe you shouldn’t be the ones in charge of things Oh, and by the way you one minute text scroll in front of the movies setting up everything that I’m supposed to know about Sorry, that’s not enough information for me! Anyway, rant aside, The First Order was born in a pretty complicated way but born nonetheless from Palpatine’s contingency plans true to his plan the weak parts of the Empire were cold away those who remained Retreated into the unknown regions of space aboard Emperor Palpatine’s mega ship “The Eclipse” they came back stronger They came back as The First Order as it said in the book quote: “It’s time to start over. That is our first order. To begin again. And to get it right, this time.” See there it is: “First Order”. So we have ourselves contingency plans, force driven life control and a connection to the events that we see playing out in the movies But what does any of this have to do with Rey and Rise of Skywalker? Cuz yeah, I remember that That was the thesis. I started this entire episode out with well buckle up friends because it’s time we talk about the Jakku observatory. Yeah the very same Jakku where Rey was left and grew up on the Jakku observatory was part of a network Of observatories across the galaxy built by none other than Emperor Palpatine himself as part of those death Contingency plans. Not all that much is said about the Jakku observatory But we do know some crucial details about it. One: that it housed ancient Sith relics. Two: that in building it he had to bore down to the center of the planet and three: that Palpatine outright says he considers jakku very Important to his plans to quote from the book: Palpatine told him that once the world was verdant– overgrown with green and home to oceans. He said that though the surface of the world shows it, the core still has that vital spark of life essence… “Are you ready?” Rax asked Palpatine’s old advisor? “I am Palpatine lives on. we will find him again out there in the dark. Everything has arranged itself as our master foretold.” So we have ourselves a mysterious station that houses powerful ancient force relics built by the Emperor Who is paranoid about dying which drills down to the core of a planet that we’re explicitly told has untapped life essence and all of this is happening on Rey’s home planet, a planet where, mind you, she has no memories of her parents or her childhood. A desert planet, that according to the Star Wars Episode nine trailer, we’re gonna be revisiting in this latest movie. That doesn’t get your midi-chlorians and a twist I don’t know what will. So we’ve got ourselves a motive a method and a location all of which coming from Palpatine’s side But what about rey herself have, there been any clues to this being her possible origin in the movies? Well, yeah actually There’s been plenty of evidence toward that we’ve certainly seen signs of a possible Dark Side connection from her, and it all begins here, the mirror cave from The Last Jedi. When she first begins her training with Luke In The Last Jedi she’s immediately drawn to this mysterious tunnel underground which symbolically leads directly to darkness That’s not all, Rey gives into it even after being warned against it by Luke. She descends into the cave to find her parents it’s a clear parallel to Luke’s trip into the cave and Dagobah during his training but instead of being fearful of what she sees inside like Luke is, Rey is calm and she herself says: But here’s the biggest kicker, when Rey asks to see her parents She sees two figures morph into one and then a reflection of herself appears. It’s odd it’s like the cave is playing a prank on her despite her being comfortable in this place and seemingly mastered its use she ends up not getting the answers that she wanted out of this thing I mean this cave is either the world’s biggest jerk or it actually did answer the questions she asked. Consider this: maybe it doesn’t show her parents because she has Maybe it shows her two figures merging into one because she only does have one parent: Palpatine Which is then revealed to be herself because that’s all there is There’s Palpatine and then her she’s a clone of Palpatine or a little girl who was manipulated by Palpatine or whatever symbolism and explanation you want, take your pick I’m not exactly sure what she is just that she was created or manipulated in some way by Palpatine as a revenge plot And lastly, let’s think about what this would mean for the story. First, It would address one of the biggest mysteries of these last three movies in a satisfying new way instead of Rey’s parentage Literally being a throwaway plot thread something used to string us along or make some wider point about not being special It suddenly would have a payoff established and believable within the existing lore clones and force Manipulation are canonical things that every casual fan of the series knows no need to have Mary Poppins flying through space this time and after the controversial reception of the last movie and then solo after it – Star Wars nees something huge that’s gonna be well-liked by pretty much all audiences who go to see this thing It’s also pretty easy to retcon this into the story as it’s going I mean sure Kylo Ren in the last Jedi tells Rey that her parents are nobodies, but how would he know the emperor’s plot? How could he know the emperor’s plot? He especially wouldn’t know about the Emperor’s secret plan because this was Palpatine’s last big secret Sheeve’s contingency plans brought back his empire through the first order and now the highly force sensitive girl with questionable parentage that just so happens to be on the planet where he has a weird laboratory is starting to get lured away by the dark side I don’t know about you, but that certainly feels like a viable candidate for Palpatine’s replacement. Thematically. It works well, too it makes all 9 movies in this franchise about the Skywalker’s and the Palpatine’s our heroes and our villains the prequels are all about Anakin Skywalker growing up under the guidance of Darth Sidious a corrupting force. Then we have the original trilogy all about the Skywalker’s both Anakin and Luke dealing with Palpatine and his Emperor at the height of its power and now this new trilogy is about the new wave of Skywalker Luke passing it on to kylo Ren who remember is Leia son a Skywalker Even if she’s never really called that dealing with Palpatine from beyond the grave in the form of Rey There’s also that good old George Lucas quote that we mentioned all the time Palpatine actually sets up the potential for a rhyming story with kylo Ren the character that we’ve seen as Rey’s counterpart through these movies He’s a villain.. sort of, but at the end of The Force Awakens We see him flirt with being good in the last Jedi that struggle continues Meanwhile, we have ourselves Rey who’s been flirting with the darkness. She’s exposed to it more and more So if Kylo were to emerge from the darkness and Ray were to descend into it BAM Classic Star Wars counterpoint parallelism. It’s poetic. It’s satisfying and darn it What a great twist for the girl to be the main villain And most importantly if this theory were to be true it steeped in enough grounded lore and established characterization That fans won’t have petitions to remake the whole darn thing But again I’ve made strong cases for theories that would have reflected excellent storytelling in the past been wrong before but you know what it’s fine I’m not bitter.. much! So there you have it theorists Rey was created by Palpatine or his loyal followers in the event of his death on Jakku at the Jakku Observatory That’s why we hear his laugh [Palpatine Laughing] why by the end of Rise of Skywalker she’ll have gone complete villain explains Rey’s natural talents with the force her inclination towards the dark side and Palpatine’s return in the upcoming film all while being super poetic and Emphasizing the classic Star Wars themes about the struggles between good and evil. And let’s just face it It’s a great twist to have this girl who’s been set up as our hero be the ultimate villain all along but hey, that’s just a theory a film theory and cut Then that Empire must be deemed Oh need a glass of water after that voice wasn’t even close I don’t even know why I try. Why did I choose to write that in the script like here? Let me write in an opportunity for me to show the internet how much I suck at impressions. At least it’s different sounding voice I guess frog voice

100 thoughts on “Film Theory: Rey is the Next Darth Vader! (Star Wars Episode 9 The Rise of Skywalker)

  1. omg in the 2nd trailer she gets a red lightsaber and a black hood and that was made after this wtffff

  2. Who is Anakin’s father, just something to maybe think about… also I love the idea of Rey being a creation of Palpatine, makes sense why she’s so much stronger than Kylo

  3. All the great twists, taking chances, and intriguing plot points have died since the original Star Wars. They chickened out of Darth Jar Jar, so you can bet they're not going with Darth Rey.

  4. I hope Disney sees this because if they don't, they might make things worse in the plot.

  5. This makes sense. If you look at Rey’s fighting style it is also simillar. She always starts with a stab motion, like palpatine.

  6. I still wish Jar Jar was behind it all. That was probably my favorite out-there fan theory because it gave him a point and retroactively made him a much better character if we were to later learn he was just playing dumb the whole time. But naaaah, heesa moron!

  7. You know that that laugh from him means he’s back because in the comics he could reincarnate him self. DUH!!!!!. You should’ve thought of that. But he can only do it to someone who is being born so your theory is broken.

  8. I think the biggest flaw in this theory is that it assumes Disney has any plan whatsoever. At this point, I don't think they do.

  9. I think you're reaching too far on this one matpat. I think the reason for ren and ray flirting back and forth with the dark and the light side is far far simpler, sort of. Since episode 1 it's been said over and over again that papa Skywalker was going to bring balance to the force, he did not. However, whinny boy Skywalker brings in twin Skywalkers. And again there was all the "bring balance" crap. Neither twin girl nor twin boy did so. However, twin girl meets nerfherder, twin girl and nerfherder have angry boy Skywalker. Boy twin Skywalker trains angry boy Skywalker who in turn goes dark angry boy Skywalker but now is conflicted dark angry boy Skywalker, because reasons.
    Enter ponytail. Ponytail goes to boy twin Skywalker to be trained, he sort of does but not really, she becomes conflicted about the light side, because reasons. Conflicted ponytail meets conflicted dark angry boy Skywalker. They sort of like each other, and now are all "he lets be conflicted together". They have an entire "why the hell is there even a light and dark side of the force" conversation. So ultimately conflicted dark angry boy Skywalker and conflicted light ponytail become the balance in the force by embracing both the light and dark side of the force. Full circle back to whinny papa Skywalker and turns out he did bring balance to the force in a very long drawn out way. The end.
    P.s
    Balanced ponytail and balanced angry boy Skywalker have balanced angry ponytail baby Skywalkers.
    The end end.

  10. Thing is that Anakin is (according to the Vader comics) already Palatine's "son" created with the force using shmi as a host for the baby and that's why she told qui-gon that "he has no father"

  11. me:this theory is bullshit lol, he"ll never predict something in star wars

    me,after the newest trailer:W E L L S H I T

  12. EXCUSE ME. I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING.
    IN THE FIRST MOVIE (FIRST! FIRST MOVIE!), THE PHANTOM MENACE, YOU KNOW WHO SURVIVED BEING THROWN OFF A CATWALK?! DARTH MAUL! HE IS SEEN AGAIN WITH PROSTHETIC LEGS! SO OBVIOUSLY THE EMPEROR LIVES!

  13. before the ret-con this was was supposed to essentially be the story for luke – whom gave himself to the emprah in exchange for the lives of his apprentices

    this causes leia to abandon her station with the new republic and pursue and redeem luke. so it essentially the same story packaged with different characters

  14. See, there is one huge problem with this theory. Disney isn't physically capable of making a story that creative. That was the same problem with all the other Star Wars theories. They were to creative and to good. And if I'm being honest they were better then the actual movies were. Rest In Peace Star Wars. 1977-2017

  15. Ugh, honestly all the lore revealed here is so annoying. Love you Matpat, it’s not your fault.

  16. I think that's why they called it the first order because it is the first order of his contingency plans
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  17. I have the Jedi path book, the Book Of Sith, The Imperial Handbook, and The Bounty Hunters Code. And just when I thought they were canon…

  18. Wasnt there like this uberpowerfull sith like 4000 years before the clone wars who could pass on his consciousness and be almost invinceble. The emperor could do that.

  19. Sadly, this theory is going to be better than whatever Disney does. They don't have a vision for Star Wars, they're only interested in making money. They'll not risk making Rey the villain in case they upset the fans again, they'll do something safe instead. Making Rey the bad guy and Kylo returning to the light as the redeemed hero makes sense lore-wise and has symmetry with the original trilogy. Disney will absolutely mess this up, trying to please everyone instead of telling a strong story. Disney can't do the kind of adult storytelling this needs to work, it's going to be shallow with a liberal dose of child friendly content. Star Wars died the day Disney bought it – they were the absolute worst people to take it over. Prepare to be disappointed.

  20. MATPAT IM AT THE THEATER and I just saw the NEW starwars trailer YOU WHERE RIGHT YOUR THEORY WAS RIGHT

  21. So if Palpatine knew Plagueis was dead then why did he start off his tale about him by saying "Darth Plagueis is", rather than was?

  22. I got a 100% accurate prediction about the next Star Wars movie there will be another Star Wars movie

  23. Well mat pat I actually think that since the guy who died in The Last Jedi could somehow see into the future I think that palpatine could also see in to the future, I know that this theory has A LOT of holes in it I hope that you can help me out with this theory

  24. Your theory have one big flaw: you presume that ppl making sw are thinking beings…

  25. it is possible, after all I heard some where that Anakin was created by a sith lord, that's why he has so much mid clorians. Therefore rey could be a sith, but then again its a theory

  26. There's a theory that Darth Rey is actually another clone that she could end up fighting. That would be cool.
    Here's a question to you, though. Since Rey has lived all her life on the desert planet of Jakku, how is it that she knows how to swim? I find that curious.

  27. I suggest cutting all the meth out of your daily diet and nutritional intake… then you may be able to form one or two coherent thoughts into a sentence. You’re welcome

  28. lol.. Stalin had body doubles… Saddam had body doubles… Sidious had/has body doubles. SIMPLE!

  29. Don't matter they're gonna subvert your expectation by making an ewok the next darth vader

  30. Yeah I don't think the people that messed up the ending to Game of Thrones are going to be able to do something as amazing as that when it comes to storytelling…

  31. Looking good so far, Palpatine has been confirmed to be in the next Star Wars sequel

  32. I didn't know the emperors name was Sheve Palpatine. I thought it was just Palpatine (Like Yoda his full name is Minch Yoda but I didn't know that until a couple of weeks ago).

  33. I'm just now watching this and I have a request for you Mat. Could you explain why the First Order didn't use the clones on Kamino and decided to use real people instead?

  34. Hey matpat can you play star wars galaxy of heroes in your gaming channel it's free it has some lore from your star wars vids

  35. You know that he has clones right that he transfers his essence into after he dies

  36. It better f'n not be Leia saying "Rey, I am your mother." Because it'll be the fans screaming "NnOoOoOoo!!!"

  37. All diseny star wars does is make me feel like watching the original trilogy

  38. Skywalkers where Chiss children that where force sensitive and were used to navigate their ships safely throughout the outer rim. You learn this in the stories of Darth vader and Thron. I don't remember the name of the book but that's where Skywalker comes from.

  39. When I see the movie I hope this does come true I am more afraid Disney pulling a you didn't see this coming digia making kylo Ren the enemy again

  40. The force awakens:
    Establishes an interesting mystery and ends on a cliffhanger that is slightly ambiguous but mostly has a clear direction

    The last Jedi:
    NOPE

  41. It is called rise of sky walker and who is coming back palatine what if palpatine is a skywalker

  42. the two figures morphing into one, and then showing herself, could also be interpreted as the Schwartz (both the Light & Dark sides) being the source of her creation. that would be some plot twist if they turned out to make her the 'chosen' one, and that it would turn out to not have been Anakin. BUT, if written well, and presented in an interesting way, it could turn out to be a good surprise in the end and explain some of the mary sue shit a Little bit as well as the foggy past. Anakin does have a mother, while mary sue had that cave experience and can't even remember her parents. The Schwartz might be mysterious, but it does not lie.

  43. I refuse to be hyped by a star wars story ever again. Not after ep 7 and 8. What you proposed sounds awesome af. No way we will recieve it in 9. No way we will recieve any kind of "long term scheme" that would bear fruit in this movie. It will be flat, simple and a cash grab.

  44. Wasn't palpatines story about creating life was a lie to persuade anikin

  45. Another great video- your editing cracks me up, and the theories are incredible. Keep up the great work! 👍🏻

  46. I'd rather wanna see Rey slowly turning villainous than her just flip flopping into the dark side.

  47. Mr emperor was lying about stoping people from dying so he must be lying about making life

  48. Before watching this I know you don’t have a good track record so you’re probably gonna get it wrong but good job anyway.

  49. I don't think Disney has the balls to make Rey a villain. They are all about female empowerment and won't let her be the "bad guy".

  50. Well, if you think about it, Anakin was created by Plagueis to kill Palpatine as a revenge plot as well. As Shmi Skywalker said, Anakin was conceived immaculately and, as prophesied, brought balance to the force, helping the Emperor to kill enough Jedi until (in the movies anyway) there were only 2 Sith and 2 Jedi left. And then when the Dark side outnumbered the Light, what with only Luke left for the Jedi, Anakin then kills the Emperor, completing Plagueis' revenge.

    Palpatine essentially copied the same contingency HIS master had: create a force-child that will grow up to get revenge on his killer (which he probably suspected would be Vader, since that's pretty much how Sith Lord's are replaced by their apprentices). Sheev obviously didn't expect Vader to immediately die though, so Rey follows her next directive in heading the next Empire.

  51. So your big theory is that Darth Sideous used his… saber… to create life?

  52. Not to mention rey's fighting sequence in the first movie with kylo, she was fighting just like palpatine.

  53. Thank you! I have been asking since December 2015, how the hell did the galaxy allow the same shit to happen to same galaxy TWICE????? How did the Star Wars galaxy pull a John McClane Die Hard 2 scenario?

  54. Even if The Rise of Skywalker is good or great, it cannot fix the stupidity of The Last Jedi. Rose crashing into Finn despite her holding strong to her sister’s sacrifice. The entire Canto Bight and DJ the hacker plot. The dreadfully boring slow paced space chase. The pointless Walker battle. The dickhead Jake Skywalker scenes. The excessive jokes. The excessive gotcha moments. The excessive subverting expectations. The Blues Brothers 2000 also subverted expectations and it also sucked ass.

  55. Lucasfilms, Disney, Kathleen Kennedy, JJ Abrams, and Rian Johnson: “SW fans are upset because their online theories are wrong & the films are not living up to the theories”.
    Response: THEN DO NOT HAVE A FAN BASE!

  56. Next movie comes.what is he. ps I will make movie with friends of course when older

  57. So he made her on a dead desert planet that once had the spark of life? What other desert planets do we suspect he made a person on?

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