Mindwalk (1990) [Eng Captions–Spanish, Romenian]

hello jack jack is Lissa Retel or going or something am i calling too late says that the hours are later here are you okay everything all right not really hey Tom I need some help why'd you think of speechwriters gonna fix it do you think that's the only roblem if I did would I be calling you okay I'm sorry I missed your presidential campaign I just thought it was nuts looks like the voters agreed with you maybe what's crazy anyway now I'm supposed to be running again for reelection to the Senate you know and people aren't killing anymore but now they arguing but maybe I just don't want the money I don't have any say I feel tapped out I'll get away from there it's a snake pit it's a Hall of Mirrors for narcissus get a long way away I wish but it's impossible right now no come on it's always like that that's always part of the problem are you offering me a place yeah sure you could come over here come on over may not be the White House but you know at least here you wanted so glad I came here I shouldn't have invited him credible but there it is again middle-ages got left behind on the rock I just moved on there he goes yeah I'm all right always enthused and always ready with the right words for all occasions as if everyone was still waiting for his opinion as if life itself was one giant press conference maybe that's all there is his public persona haven't been fooling myself these last 20 years always looking for the real guy behind the facade maybe the facade is the real guy this is amazing sure does everything's always amazing than any guy I am i bitching all the time it is just a premonition that this trips gonna be a disaster I can't say that I need Jack's company this time in my life I'm residing quite contentedly in my own midlife crises thank you very much this is about a far away from Washington as I could possibly get thank you there he goes that's why he retains me and that's why I love him two states the whole shebang behind the innocence there may be a calculated politician behind the politician there's innocent he's still American enough he doesn't lie well at all he means it want to stop the car get out and take a look around there it is all sad Michel do you think beautiful yeah you want to do something different you want to walk over there walk across that swamp it's like our ancestors did centuries and centuries and centuries and centuries ago you're the one who want to do all the walking come on let's go unless my mother you yeah so we gonna do something today sort of finish my book you always have a book to read I'm bored please Roman I don't care what Roman is doing you know I wanted to do something with you I shouldn't have come I should have just done something with dad huh kids you just stay cooped up in this medieval Island just reading your books you know you you're not even aware of what's going on around you you could be anywhere it wouldn't even make a difference you should just go out more meet some people yeah I will I'm going bye are you moving to France permanently what I thought you couldn't live anywhere but in New York what about the theater did you give that up for good MAME givin me up for good I don't think I'm enough involved in real estate to live in Manhattan there any other business I'm other hustle you know I Love New York when I was young inside of it my friends and I are more interested in our work and our investments we're invidious we were nurturing and then you know alimony the IRS being denied the right to parent my own child custody they brought reality in and hey who needs it you know when Richard Nixon got on that chopper in 1972 I think the fight went out of all of us didn't it the big business took over and set the agenda and when you buy into big business when you buy into that man you got to emancipate yourself from your morals or you live a life for squeamishness is this our same old argument I lost my morals did I just automatically by going to work on things and staying inside the Cisco Jackie taking me a little personally I was talking about myself I was saying that I got a little squeamish you know you know I know a lot of people who work at a lot crafts or jobs than you do and they're happy no they they're happy they're healthy they're not depressed they enjoy the material blessings me I couldn't handle it I couldn't stand it I just couldn't you know Confucius say of the 39 steps of escape the best ones flights a life led down here I am in France where I can pull down my pants oh I'm enough of a retarded romantic I guess to believe that France is still a place where you can get away and think so I'll stay I guess or I won't we'll see this place is like a fairy tale how did we wind up here I bet there's some secret plan of yours behind all this well I bet I can say the same thing about you no I just thought you might like to come here to discover that precious quality that the world so desperately lacks vision perspective perspective Jack this is why the dead are placed in the middle of the town among the houses death is a part of life not separate from each but you will see there aren't enough rays for all the generations of Massa Michel yeah so every decade or so the bones are dug up so new bodies can be buried here and since they believed you will need your bones again on Judgment Day they place them nearby in the charnel-house that's disgusting I like cemetery and in the bag there in the church there is a relic of a saint what's the relic tell me jack how do you expect to govern these table hmm that's a good question you know there was an Italian premier Huestis was just before Mussolini somebody asked him it was difficult to govern Italians is it difficult to govern Italians no not difficult only useless you didn't say that on the 6 o'clock news oh but I thought it night and day maybe that's why I lost anyway did they really think that their bones would keep until Judgment Day well you got to remember that for them Judgment Day was right around the corner they expected it almost hourly just like us Alan say so Judgment Day for us is different not exactly I think Judgment Day for us is an interruption of violation and break in our concept of time the bomb the big one you know Judgment Day for them was kind of the ultimate day off not the ultimate off day if they didn't have clocks it wasn't any mechanical time time was season the season gone to dusk Sabbath the saint day and everything led towards Judgment Day Judgment Day was the reason that everybody was alive in the first place Judgment Day was a day of deliverance it's kind of like you know Sunday when you get the times delivered time was sacred they'd ring a bell in the morning they'd ring a bell in the evening and those moments would change a little but basically the rhythm of their era was so different from ours that I don't think that we could even imagine I guess we're a little early those st. stands alone what no st. stands alone every time I come here these lines come to me God knows from where it sometimes takes me weeks even years to figure out what the hell they mean did you ever read any of the books that I sent you no I'll tell you not since you stopped thinking about coming back to help me with my speeches did you ever read any of the speeches I sent you I tried I mean you know the old attention span is not what he used to be that's true mine either I don't have any attention anymore for anything that's not specific poetry just confuses me you know politics politics confuses everybody including its practitioners but I know what no st. stands alone means oh yeah what it's the essence of my profession because between every politician and his own point of view there are three fat cats two TAC lobbyists half dozen microphones no man is an island entire of itself every man is a piece of the continent a part of the main therefore never send to know For Whom the Bell Tolls it tolls to date can't you just feel the place watching makes you feel pretty small yeah I was supposed to the individual in the human body was supposed to feel small dwarfed denied all independent existence we lost some of the sense of being all one but we got our freedom not a bad trade-off really I don't know still don't know if it's worth it we haven't lost more than we've gained all I ever hear anybody talk about today is themselves I wrote a poem once titled the stones speak I am silent well at least you're free to think what you want do what you can about it I think of the poor guy who had to carry the stones up the hill to build this place he didn't have any say in his life at all or try running for office someday you won't feel so bad someone else sets the agenda someone else sets the schedule somebody else decides what you can say and what you better not say talk about losing yourself people have been known to forget their own names maybe it is smart to be President yeah television correspondent told me that once what you say I got a little steamed I said American voters want their leaders to be dumber than they are they figure they'll do less harm that way and that it's an expensive form of cynicism said that on TV yeah you're not so smart after all you go through here it's up here yep look at the thing has been functioning for hundreds hundreds of years since before the beginning of modern times yeah but this is different from the kind of time you were talking about before sunrise to sunset Sabbath to Sabbath oh this is this is mechanical time is you bet you bet it is you bet I sometimes think that this clock this machine is what constitutes humanity's first real break from the world of nature wouldn't you say so hello the clock did much more than that it became the model of the cosmos and then they mistook the model for the real thing people got the idea that nature was just a time clock nothing living organism but a machine that's exactly what I've been trying to tell this lunkhead exactly word for word maybe we recognize him Jack Edwards and you're a Sonia Hoffman I think I've heard your name somewhere yeah maybe in a couple of hundred news broadcasts he was a candidate for the US presidency in the primaries Wow I vaguely remember see I'm not a voter most Americans don't vote either I do know who you are me you know who I am like a today you're Thomas Harriman the poet well yes I am but wait a minute let me get this Trey you recognized me a poet whose latest works all all of 12 thousand copies but you do not recognize this gentleman who was the presidential candidate in America my god woman what's happened to your values what do you do I'm a scientist and we do occasionally read poetry as a matter of fact I'm doing a lot of it these days I'm on a sort of sabbatical I'm an ex physicist annex American resident the next bolter ex-wife this is very upsetting I'm not intelligent people like yourself bothered pulley welcoming you politicians make it so hard the idea is expressed by most of you right and left seemed to me as Cintiq in mechanical as that old clock what's that supposed to mean well if I was to explain that I've had to go all the way back to the carts if you remember him yeah to be or not to be I think therefore I am yeah well we both went to college well the cart was the primary architect of the view that sees the world as a clock a mechanistic view that still dominates most of the world today and it seems to me especially you politicians mechanistic is that a real word mechanistic mechanical mechanics yeah it's a good word mechanistic as if nature from from like a clock you take it apart reduce the number of small simple piece is easy to understand analyze them put them all back together again and then you understand the whole isn't that what's going as scientific thinking miss Hoffman really would you call the mechanistic view isn't that what the scientific method is all about is it well I don't think so but I'd like to kind of hear from the physicist Jack alright I'm sorry please continue well you write in a way mr. Jack call me jack okay Jack you are right in a sense but it wasn't always so not before the cops when he introduced such thinking it amounted to a revolutionary breakthrough the church he said I don't need the Pope to tell me how the world functions I can find that out for myself because to me the world is just a machine and then fasten with clockworks and may the clock into central metaphor he said I consider the human body is nothing but a machine a healthy man's like it well made cook a sick man is like an inmate well America seems a little clumsy now but it worked didn't it yeah so successfully that scientists came to believe that all living things plants animals us are nothing but machines and that's the fallacy carried over into everything arts politics I don't know it seems to me that most people don't even remember who Descartes was I'm sorry I guess I just don't follow you but he'd like to if you could just break it down into 30-second media bikes that's more what he's used to very funny all right what is it that I don't break it guys what's so bad about Descartes but there's nothing bad about the car in fact I think the car is wonderful he was a god sent to the 17th century but times have changed since then we need a new way of understanding life that kind of them for example as long since been replaced by a tiny quartz crystal and these magnificent hand forged wheels turned into a microchip that the size of my thumbnail that's how far modern science has left mechanistic thinking behind you politicians you seem to have bets clockwork still ticking in your head keep on going so you don't stop who knows you may just have that vital piece of information that we Paul's venal and stupid as we are missing out on all along there you go thinking in terms of pieces pieces are all we get of the picture only fragments come on give me some examples well let's take the population problem example you can solve it by looking at different forms of birth control in isolation research has proven again and again that the most effective form of birth control is not a purely its economic and social gains which will reduce the design for large families do you know that in our world every day 40,000 children die from malnutrition and preventable diseases that's every other second it's now now and now whether short lives of these children cannot be seen in isolation they're part of a whole system involving the economics involving the environment and more specifically involving high levels of third-world debts Hauser the burden of friends it boring is not falling on those with foreign bank accounts nor on those who created their imbalance the bourbon is falling on the already deprived three years ago president my rare ask the question must we starve our children to pay your debts that question has been answered in practice and the answer has been yes because since he asked hundreds and thousands of little children in the third world have given their lives to pay their country's debts and millions more are still paying interest with her malnourished minds and bodies ah take Brazil do you know that they are destroying the Amazon rainforest at the rate of one football field a second now now know why they're trying to pay their national debts with cattle and land speculation they don't even have time to sell the timber so they're setting fire to the woods and our barren forests are one of the main causes of the global warming the greenhouse effect and in the meantime we are pouring our money into the arms race so you cannot look at one single of our global problems in isolation trying to understand it and solve it of course you can fix a fragment of a piece but it will deteriorate the second later because what it was connected to us being ignored we had to change everything together at the same time the ideals the institution's that values although this sounds kind of familiar do you two know each other is this a setup all right what do I yes the problems are complex but you're just looking at the dark side because those are capacity to respond isn't it communications databanks technology we already have the tools to deal with a lot of these problems even if they are more complex Candide himself the eternal optimist what don't you see that there are all these new technologies they're causing more problems that they saw in medicine for example it's been an overwhelming increase in technology but the costs have spiraled concurrently it's become medicine for the rich and public health hasn't improved significantly although public health would improve dramatically if we just changed your eating habits for example but instead the experts are occupied with making artificial hearts but if our agribusiness had fed us better instead of chopping down the rainforests in order to make cattle ranches in order to produce more and more red meat which is one of the direct causes of heart attacks then maybe we wouldn't have to spend so much of our money on artificial hearts and so on and so on well this is all examples of interconnectedness but Sonia all right supposing that you're right and everything is connected to everything else as you say still you've got to start somewhere don't you so that's the real political question here where do you start by changing the way we're seeing the world you see you're still searching for the for the right piece to fix first you don't see that all the problems simply of fragments are one single crisis and crisis of perception oh good the world is coming to an end and you say it's a crisis of perception I'm sorry that's a little abstract for me and all of this stuff about modern medicine all your criticisms I mean oh I may be a doctor's son but you have to admit that this mechanistic medicine has been pretty successful well up to a point but simply by blocking the mechanism so the disease doesn't mean healing it I mean it's like in politics it's just shifting the problem to another sphere are you gonna help me in this oh you're gonna leave me stranded out here on this argument by myself I'm gonna leave you stranded I'm gonna leave you stranded okay a person goes to a doctor today with recurring attacks of gall stones and the doctor takes the gallbladder out and lo and behold the pain goes away now you could say that the doctor is working from a poor perceptual model that he just concentrated on a part of the clock that wasn't working and removed it but the fact is the patient is out of his pain he's feeling better and the clock is ticking again this perceptual model worked but is everything that works good for the system come on Sonja that's disingenuous and not at all useful when applied to politics which is after all a system that is based on people it's the art of bringing people to agree on a certain course of action if that course of action succeeds the people are satisfied if not they're not it's as simple as that if it works it's good period it isn't that exactly what you said why politics doesn't work anymore the politics you said needed to become the art of the impossible whose side are you on hers obviously she's intelligent gracious and more attractive listen Jack I'd like to get back to the systems you know you called me dishonest all right let's talk about the gold blood again let's say the gold blood is out and the pain is gone but what about the stress that might have brought the illness on if that stress persists he's probably gonna get sick again oh let's say he had changed his nutrition much earlier and done some exercise he may never develop the gold stones in the first place see a little health education might have been much deeper than the operation a lot less painful – but our system doesn't encourage prevention it encourages intervention okay you're not disingenuous but to blame all this on a French philosopher who's been dead for 300 years it's not a little out of proportion maybe even a little eccentric no not if I'm right see my point isn't to condemn the cards thinking it's simply to recognize its limitations might have been extremely useful to proceed the world as a machine for 300 years but that perception today is not only an accurate it's actually harmful we need a new vision of the world what's that quotation it's foolish for a society to try to cling to its old ideas and new times just as it's foolish for a grown man to try to squeeze into the coat that fit him in his youth something like that Thomas Jefferson maybe you're not crazy I don't know Sonia this new vision of the world might just be some sort of millennium madness I'm kind of st. vitus's dance of the mind as we approach the year 2000 no everybody's aware now we can make ourselves extinct at the press of a button and we're soiling every square foot of land sea and air that water looks clean but it's not is it not really nothing is the English Channel is one of the most polluted bodies of water in the world and the oysters around here are famous I think soon they won't be safe to eat not only that this water is radioactive contaminated by a nuclear plant a few miles from here yeah I read about that too politicians can read you know all about these things and some of us think about them every day I know I do but we have to deal with a different set of constraints different kinds of interdependence than the ones you're talking about let's say it turns out to be true so what you said is true cattle are brutally treated loaded up with chemicals too much red meat is bad for you in the landscapes being wrecked by over grazing let's say all that turns out to be true so for good health and a hundred other reasons I help enact a tax on the consumption of red meat the way we tax tobacco to make people think twice about that kind of consumption what a wonderful idea we could do cancer and heart research for the revenue yes and I'd have 50 lobbyists pounding on my door while 100 different meat producers political action committees board money into my opponents campaign and my switchboard was lit up all day long with calls from Senators and Representatives and governors wall to meat producing states but ok Sonya just for you let's say that I take all that on the Sam Rayburn said every once in a while and they ought to do something because it's right but if on top of that I come out against a few weapons programs and try to do something about acid rain and sponsor a bill supporting increased funding for solar energy you know what by the next election anybody who would run against me and I mean mean anybody would have the combined funds of all those people to defeat me and he would – and I'm not even saying it's wrong because when you get that far out in front of public opinion that's the way they let you know so I do but everybody else does from the lowliest congressman right on up for the President of the United States I pick a few crucial issues that I think a crucial part of your whole and I persist and persist until I get somewhere if I'm lucky for the rest I mark time I wait I go along I trade off this is why I don't both excuse me but we've been talking about you get people to eat less red meat and then you do something like paying off the farm is buying up surplus butter and subsidizing its price so if we don't get a heart attack one way you'll just find another way to give it to us well I agree with you we wouldn't contradict each other or we wouldn't contradict ourselves so much if we didn't do things piecemeal but you know there's something a little scary maybe something even a little cruel about your theoretical exigence in here I mean are you gonna be the one who tells everyone what's good for them are you gonna tell a farmer that there's something wrong with the goals that he and his family have pursued for generations and then what just shut them down you know maybe we are beating up all day long by private interest but at least our government is now stays close to what people perceive to be their needs look the world changed his pasture than people's perception of it would it be a challenge for a great political leader to bridge the gap to inform to allow us to feel responsibility anyway the people don't trust you politicians anymore at your last election only 50% of them even bother to vote yeah getting them back would really require a politics of the impossible but a great campaign slogan where were you when I needed you I'll go for it oh good I get the poet vote ah politics of the impossible my voters great ad to ask the support of all well-informed but non participating women living on medieval island why does that make me angry well probably because they don't want to have anything to do with us we don't believe in us there isn't really any reason why they should accept their own eventual aging I don't even notice where they are they think this is the movies but this room is absolutely contemporary everybody's got a torture chamber now I don't even notice are you gonna save this as part of your crisis of perception too here maybe we're all led a little towards death like wolves to the weak or maybe people are just shits hmm you'd like to blame this on Descartes I'd like to blame it on anybody but this is such a part of human history well I don't know but the caught but I do know that Francis Bacon presided over the witch trials who King James the first as a time when millions of women were tortured or burned for practicing folk medicine Oh worshipping pre-christian goddesses or simply because they were unusual I would probably have ended up a mistake myself see I don't believe it wasn't metaphor when Francis Bacon wrote that nature had to be hounded in a wandering pound into service made a slave he even said that scientists with the new mechanical devices had to torture nature's secrets out of them did you notice how he uses her and describing Mother Nature hmm as if nature was nothing but a witch yes it's actually fair to say that this room represents a crisis of perception but this room was here for a long time before Descartes and bacon wow this goes on no matter how mankind understands the world doesn't it and exploitation of course we'd all like to think it would be different we saw things differently it hasn't modern science technology business done exactly what Francis Bacon preached tortured all planets didn't we just implement the old patriarchal idea about man dominating all no no no Sonia let me be the devil's advocate here for a minute how much have we really tortured and handed the planet well you could say not much compared to what the Ice Ages did to the world for sample and who says that nature can't cope we're all scared to death about the disappearing ozone layer but we only started studying ozone levels about ten years ago it could be that this these so-called holes in the atmosphere have been appearing and then disappearing again since the beginning of time kinetic could be that nature has a healing mechanism but we don't even know about it could be the dis hysteria about ultraviolet rays is nothing more than that just a stereo that's exactly what I said about the German forests only a few years ago and look at them now more than half of the trees in the black forest are dying we can't explain it away any longer we simply cannot take the risk right here around this island their tides are slowing down maybe because of silt building up from garbage being dumped in the bay or from the overuse of fertilizers lakes can die entire oceans become polluted topsoil forests water poisoned that things can change so fast the hands of man nature becomes fragile rain becomes acid I agree with everything you said why does patriarchal fixation hmm I mean sale of those women witches were betrayed by the women Phyllis Schlafly a woman has written at God's greatest gift to mankind as he had a bomb I mean these are women why can't you just say what's patriarchal is what's evil in both men and women and let it go with that there's plenty of that to go around unless of course you happen to believe that these women were brainwashed by men like Patty Hearst why is the scornful look there are two great principles functioning in this entire living world the male principle pick the adjective the aggressive dominating whatever and the female principle nurturing caretaking gentle whatever what I am saying is that these two principles may have been in a rough balance but now the men and yes I do think it is the men have created the tools the weapons both intellectually and physically to bring these two principles way out of balance we have been placing mechanistic tools in the hands of power oriented patriarchal people I'm saying you men are of control now and I you really we are the victims so what's the risk what's wrong with giving the female principal an opportunity let me say let's get out of this room it's having a torturous effect on our relationship with Sonia I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers down there I just um Leon I'm a failed husband I'm a little too sensitive about all that stuff I'm also starving poet and a bad teacher and Jack here's another midlife casualty except that his wife is still around I don't know maybe there's a connection in there somewhere for you what do you do I mean what brings you to this far out and remote place well let's see I'm a scientist still even though I'm honest semi permanent sabbatical how come I got tired of seeing my work fed to the US Defense Department I'm a physicist the only woman in my graduate Department the first in noir we're doing quantum field theory my speciality was lasers that time the challenge was to design lasers of ever shorter wavelengths the shorter the wavelength the more powerful the laser our ultimate goal was to create an x-ray laser and one day I hit upon an unusual idea which has it turned out led to a major advance in that x-ray laser well when you do something like that science treats you very well I put many attractive offers first from Paris and then from the state and I took them finally working quite happily in Boston until one day I discovered totally unexpectedly that my work was being perverted see I had always looked at the medical applications of my work of using this laser to provide holographic images of cells even molecules it could have helped us solve so many puzzles even though formation of cancer cells but what really happened was that a more sophisticated version of my idea was being used in the Star Wars program and it blew my mind it made me really at my whole profession anyway to to cut it short in the midst of all their events I just got up and left what were the other events if I may ask experience is not all that different from yours I suppose I left Boston and eventually I came here I just came one day from Paris and a place to call him I kept coming back well there were weeks here when the storms chased the tourists away and and I had this place all to myself I started to look at how my special knowledge of subatomic physics relates to the way I perceived the world at large and I don't know but I think that I have something to say after my time here I don't know yet if it will fit into a coherent whole but this is what I think about when I take my morning walks which today for some reason brought me to you to see every morning I walk across the island regardless of the weather trying to understand its or the language the stones speak and I am silent something like that yes that's from a poem isn't it well maybe I don't know you know give a writedown any of your thoughts oh yes all the time I'd like to combine my notes into book and call it ecological thinking as opposed to Cartesian thinking Cartesian yeah Descartes wrote in Latin his Latin name was Cartesian sense Cartesian really I thought him and map like like a man no you didn't you thought it meant like a la carte yes like a menu and his name would have been menus here I'd like to offer this ecological way of thinking as a new way of looking at things help us overcome this crisis of perception see what I found here is that to think in an ecological way simply makes more sense of everything it gives me a much firmer grasp of reality it gives me strength knowledge is power yes but in the sense of personal empowerment not that old male urge for power over others Descartes evil empire again the cause had a dream it was really Isaac Newton who made that dream come true who transformed it into scientific theory into power me God escaped from single vision and Newton's sleep William Blake I'm very impressed no you two have a lot in common you'd have a lot to talk about he was writing in poetry 200 years ago what you're saying today in prose he hated Newton he hated this concept of single vision he dedicated his entire life to making art to denied single vision of course of course the people of his time thought he was a crank hmm where's they revered Newton almost as a God by reducing all physical phenomena to the motion of material particles the motion caused by the force of gravity he was able to describe the exact effect of gravity on any object with precise mathematical equations we call it Newton's laws of motion really the great achievement of 17th century science you mean all that stuff that I slept through in high school like any good poet all that square root of the hypotenuse divided by a pinch of magnesium oh let's not well in the right hand so should I say most minds these equations seemed to work beautifully I could use Newton's equations to calculate and explain every motion of that throw from the ballistic curve so the ripples in the water see this was a peak so impressive for the time that Newton's mathematical system immediately established itself as the correct theory of reality the ultimate laws of nature the card stream of the world is a perfect machine was now an established fact I brought well it's such a wealth of benefits for people people could do things they'd never been able to do before it was irresistible and of course the old notions of the world as a living organism must swept away so what's wrong with Newton kit well this is my Dragic kit and our friend Roman keep this is Sir Thomas Harry man oh yeah and this is jack jack every yeah Jack a terrific hi hi what do you think of this new ecological view of your mother's that's okay gave this utterly bored hearing me throw out the bodies yeah well we're gonna go nice video hates me – nice meeting you fun also she's living here with you know she's in her first year in college she's on a break but right now yes I think she's subtly bored living here with me I understand that I have two of my own yeah I had I mean I have one you know it's no accident that Turner painted light when he did or that light became the inspiration of the Impressionists the nature of light became an obsession with the physicists to see none of them could visualize how the light of the Sun beats the earth what what is the nature of light to understand the nature of light you have to know what matter is made I thought it was made of atoms what's another one Newton thought he was small solid particles but that's not what scientist saw when they observed atoms for the first time what they saw was totally unexpected and shocking you mean when they discovered that atoms were made up of even smaller particle and nucleus with electrons whirling around it not only that they were moving in relatively vast regions of empty space that's what Jacques designed this up atoms consists mainly of empty space what does that mean vast regions of empty space atoms are tiny yes they are this is what so hard to visualize see the size of atoms is so far removed from our ordinary sense of scale in proportion that it's extremely hard to get a feeling for the relative sizes and distances of their particles ask yourself how many atoms are there in an orange now to answer this you'll have to blow up the orange to a size where you can actually see the atoms you'll have to blow up the orange until it's reached the size of the earth the atoms inside of it will then be the size of cherries marry some cherries tightly packed into an orange the size of the earth wow what an image I'm serious I was trying to shrink the earth orange back down into the size of an orange and imagine all those cherries whizzing around inside of it made me dizzy this is a dangerous height to be dizzy yet but okay you say that the the atom is the size of a cherry and that in that cherry atom there's all this empty space well what about the nucleus there is a nucleus in there right I mean how big is that that's where we're going here isn't it invisible is the answer if we blow up the atom to the size of a football the nucleus would still be invisible if we blow up the atom to the size of a sphere that would fit into this room here a nucleus would still be invisible what if you blow it up to the size of this island to the size of the rock we're standing on okay we would blow the atom there cherry up to the size of this island kill it okay then the nucleus would be the size of a small pebble something like that and electrons would be much smaller still we would have to look for them all the way down there at the edge of the island and whole space in between would be empty Wow that's fantastic it's weird that seem we're in poetry so what you're saying is that if there were a sphere large enough to contain this whole island what it would actually consist of is a pebble in a few grains of sand that's all this huge sphere contains in other words nothing it's empty but if this rock is made up of spheres like that then then what makes it so solid why can't I pass my hand through it why don't we fall through it yeah why don't we fall through everything why doesn't everything fall through everything well you see this is the obvious question that physicists had to ask now remember that all the Newtonian concepts were based on things that could actually be seen what least visualized but what they were now finding in this strange and unexpected world where concepts that could no longer be visualized and when they went on battling with his absurd phenomena of atomic physics they were forced to admit to themselves that they didn't have a language not even an adequate way of thinking to describe their new discoveries they were forced to think in entirely new ways in terms of radically new concepts to understand why matter is so solid they had to question the conventional ideas about the very existence of matter and after many frustrating years they were forced to admit that matter does not exist with certainty in definite places but rather shows tendencies to exist tendency what the hell does that mean now let's say we want to observe an electron out there now we cannot say that it is in a definite place we can rather say it has a tendency to be out there in the front rather than in the back or here to the left rather than over there to the right in scientific language we actually don't speak about tendencies we speak about probabilities I seem to remember voting for a bill in the Senate that gave some physicists a lot of money for a detector that they said would tell them exactly where an electron is were we being gypped not at all the strange thing is that when you actually make a measurement of the electron it is in a definite but between measurements you cannot say that it is in a definite place or that it has traveled a definite path from one place to another you mean when you want to measure it just sort of shows up yeah Oh kind of like out-of-work actors or presidential candidates like Jack Edward what do you think what do you think okay yeah okay let me get this straight you measure it in the electron is there it shows up but in between measurements you can't say for sure that it's in a definite place or even that it went on a definite path from one place to another so how does it go from here there it moves doesn't it no you mean it stays in the same place no well wait a minute either the electron moves or it doesn't move well you can't say that well are you getting a feeling now of what these physicists felt you see an electron doesn't move from place to place and it doesn't stay in one place either it manifests itself as probability patterns spread out in space and the shape of these probability patterns changes with time something which might seem like movement to human perception are you saying that the electron sort of gets smeared out over a large region and then when you measure it with the measuring gun it collapses into a small point you got it you see all certain particles electrons protons neutrons manifest his strange existence between potentiality and reality so at the subatomic level there are no solid hot no I'm not well if there are no solid objects at the subatomic level how are there solid objects at any level that's their Mason thing this simple question what makes this rock so solid goes way beyond the power of imagination I mean I cannot explain this to you in visual terms of course I can do it in mathematical equations but there's no miserable for it how can you live in a world that's unmet áfourá chol I mean you have to perceive reality in some way I mean this is solid ok let's take another from within this granite the silicon atom with its 14 electrons now the probability patterns of these electrons arrange themselves like shells around the nucleus each shell containing several electrons now within the shells the electrons are everywhere at the same time so to speak but the probability patterns that resemble shells are extremely stable and very hard to compress matter is solid because probability patterns are difficult to compress that's as good as it gets so I was right to sleep through mr. guinnesses physics class that little model he made out of tinker toys with sticks and balls that was wrong right right oh yeah it's a lousy visualization but then no one did it any better hmm if the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear as it is infinite William Blake so Sonia life's a bunch of probability patterns running around mobility patterns of what of interconnections what well what I'm trying to say is that these probabilities are not probabilities of things but probabilities of interconnections see Jack that's what she was trying to tell you see we tend to think of subatomic particles as some kind of small billiard balls or small grains of sand but for physicists the particle has no independent existence a particle is essentially a set of relations that reached outward to connect with other things what are those other things please they are interconnections of yet other things which also turn out to be interconnections and so on and so on you see in atomic physics we never end up with any things at all the essential nature of matter lies not in objects but in interconnections ah everybody knows the court it's a third the most basic of harmonies carries with it a very distinctive feeling no and yet it's individual notes carry none of that feeling therefore the essence of the chord lies in its lies in relationships and the relationship between time and pitch makes melody thanks melody relationships make music relationships make matter music of the spheres as Kepler said and Shakespeare before him and Pythagoras before him now this vision of a universe arranged in harmonious of sounds and relations is no new discovery today physicists are simply proving that what we call an object and add some a molecule a particle is only an approximation a metaphor at the subatomic level it dissolves into a series of interconnections like courts of music it's beautiful but there are boundaries aren't there I mean between you and me for instance we are two separate bodies aren't we that's not an illusion is it are you saying that there is actually a physical connection between you and me and and between you and the wall behind you in the air and this pension yes at the subatomic level there is a continual exchange of matter and energy between my hand in this wood between the woods and the air and even between you and me I mean a real exchange of photons and electrons ultimately whether we like it or not we're all part of one inseparable wave of relationships how does all this explain a light yes finally lights now light doesn't need anything because although it travels in waves it also travels as particles light is both particles and waves yes for the particles of light which we call photons but a very special kind unlike other particles they never stand still they never speed up they never slow down they always travel at the same speed the speed of light and the waves are not ordinary waves like water waves they are abstract patterns of probabilities traveling in the form of waves patterns of relationships like everything else except I get it well I don't get it but I get it let there be light I like life a great variety of other high-energy particles cosmic rays bombard the earth all these particles colliding with the air creating more particles interacting further creating and destroying more particles and we are in the middle of this cosmic dance of creation and destruction all of us all the time Shiva Nataraja I beg your pardon Shiva Nataraja the Hindu god of Dance the Hindus believe that Shiva's dance sustains the universe that Shiva's dance is the universe the ceaseless flow of energy going through a multiplicity of patterns dissolving into one another that's physics now that's poetry that's wonderful no really that's great but I hope this doesn't bother anybody what do you do with it what's it for well you don't do anything with it I don't think you just think about it contemplated you guys hungry I'm hungry let's go get something to eat how can they do that here I mean how can they do that anyway it's your fault what well okay it's not your fault it's physicists fault they made the bomb you can't blame really three on the bottom why not the bomb made the whole planet disposable littering is an expression of powerlessness like hey what difference is a little more craft make it's all going anyway completely you know maybe you know I visited Hiroshima ten years ago I went to museums I saw the photographs of devastation I went to the Peace Park looked at all the monuments statue of the mother with a baby statue of the goddess enveloped in paper cranes big piece fell and then I saw a mound about six feet high covered with grass it wasn't decorated in any way wasn't a symbol of anything no monument simply contained the ashes of the atomic bomb victims the actual remains so what was left of tens maybe hundreds and thousands of men and women and children incinerated because of our knowledge flash of light that burned them and obliterated them and totally transformed the world and as I stood in front of that mound of ashes I am pelted I was face-to-face with the victims of wild I can't say the victims but my work as a scientist as a physicist my god when I was little up on the third floor with my brother we'd lie in our beds watching the heat lightning flashes and he'd say what's that and I'd say that's it that's the big one we're all gonna die you can't make yourself responsible for Hiroshima Sanya just because you do physics you didn't invent the bomb and even if you had somebody else decided to use it a politician Oppenheimer said he felt he had blood on his hands and he did invent it but President Truman's answer was who the hell does he think he is I'm the one who ordered them to drop the damn thing even Oppenheimer wasn't a plane scientists are supposed to figure things out it's up to the rest of us to figure out what to do about it I'm sorry Sonia I was only kidding maybe littering is more an expression of poor toilet-training hmm I don't know maybe we can change the subject there's no accountability for scientists as there is for the professions why aren't we obliged like medical doctors to not use our knowledge destructively stop that simple I don't think Oppenheimer said he had blood on his hands yet regrets after the fact I have regrets because of my x-ray lesson see I'm responsible for the consequences of my discovery you know we never talked about responsibility at the university not at my time we never discussed ethics we were never taught value thinking no one can juice upon us the wisdom of the American Indian tribes who made all their important decisions with the seventh-generation in mind we were never taught to think about the future that way we were taught in our closed rooms that we were doing pure science in pursuits a pure truth the noble pursuit of pure truth well that's what science is Sonja don't be so hard on yourself no that's what science was maybe but pure science hardly exists today the scientist isn't sitting in his lab anymore choosing to work on what fascinates him most science is expensive the Pentagon who pays most of it besides what is fascinating 70% of all science done in the United States today is paid by the military we give our knowledge away without thinking about the values without thinking about who is responsible well but there is oversight I've served on some of those oversight committees scientism he's an irrational belief in the truth of science it's become a religion today it's not a good religion but it is a dominating religion and people of course who see what miracles physicists are able to achieve like going to outer space splitting atoms or making bombs believe that scientists who are so powerful also must be very wise and so they don't question their work anymore and they leave their own responsibilities in the hands of these people they envision to have this power of knowledge and although they know that scientists are doing scary things in the shadows I just hope that they will be kiff and then scientists hand over their responsibilities to those who are paying them and I know what happens when you hand over your responsibility to those who pay you like I did with my laser it broke my heart if you're worried about the possible dangers of genetic engineering who do you go to for advice you have to ask a scientist he's the only one who understands and you pretty much have to take his word for it too because often you don't know even what questions get asked sine should welcome your questions because science itself should question everything you know these oversight committees hold hearing from time to time where the public is invited to comment maybe you should be there first Mike you might be able to do some good he's still running only the Terminator can stop should we get the check I'll pay oh no no 1968 Chicago Democratic convention the cops are getting ready to charge the demonstrator and I'm standing there next to this guy who I have never before seen in my life and I say to him well I'm going home and he says don't go home go into politics like a fool I listen to him that guy was Jack who is today a conservative Democrat whatever the hell that is I was working for a delegate I wasn't even a demonstrator I was just trying to get into the hall and the cops charged the crowd we all got tear gas I broke my nose we all spent the night Mayor Daley's jail whoever happened to all those people Jesse Jackson got most of them the rest of them went to sleep I mean politically Jack and primaries are over okay I mean personally I mean whatever happens where do they go where they live where they do I don't know personally but politically the Green Party got him at least in Europe peace activists environmentalist the feminists the old student left he's the Green Party got him all what happened to him really I think it proves that ecological thinking is getting stronger and stronger people who see the whole picture who see that all these questions are related to each other she's back and Gorbachev Gorbachev was he at the Chicago demonstration mom I thought you were with those men yeah or go to the beach shoes – nothing did I do something wrong no it's just I can't stand you talking about what's wrong with the world and your new vision of reality when what I hear and what I think is that you're talking about your own problems how you yourself feel disconnected oh you can't even relate to me are you coming with us this time yeah come kid please come on you fuckin know mom I like Jack can't be real with him don't pour him to death kisses a married man I could do you some good and in 1968 Richard Nixon one of the youth toured 1980 1984 Ronald Reagan – the same thing majority of Americans are very conservative you know I think we are dealing with a historical process that's so deep that even Americans won't be able to resist it much longer when I look around in a sciences I see the same patterns emerging everywhere the same notions of holism of the same thinking in terms of processes instead of structures it's happening in America too because once something takes hold in this sciences it will spread it always has where do we like it or not we I'm glad to hear you say that I thought you'd given up on summer what's wrong with him the color has probably caught him he's a poet he's got a license to be Moody it's taking the miles from his home but it's kept him free I sometimes think he can change his thoughts his point of view about anything any time he wants he'd meet someone like you who sees things in a completely new way he's totally free to go along with it and should you succeed and really changing his views and win him over he could be sure he'd sit right down and put those new ideas into a play or a poem people would admire him for his flexibility new you feel constrained by your constituency yeah I know they want me to be the good old conservative Democrat they voted for basically that's what I am anyway I'm supposed to represent them it's not all up there it's supposed to be the will of the people that sets the course and the government that finds means the best way if the folks what they want of course it's all in this right now the problems are so complex there's so much crossover from one problem to another it's hard for people to even begin to think about them but still I think Thomas Jefferson was every bit as great of mind as Isaac Newton was I doubt if there's been a better form of government anywhere in history ever and of course getting into politics is nothing to be ashamed of to me it's still the biggest challenge there is the things are changing faster and faster every day a few years back the greenhouse effect was just a theory in there we're just not keeping up but Sonia the question is can your ideas change that hasn't a lot of what we've been talking about been discussed and recognized already and and all recognized in all the environmental legislation clean water in 72 clean air in 77 12 14 years ago we're still falling behind so can your ideas make these things move faster I mean if you're going to wait for most of the people to be ready to go along with you before you move which is what you have to do I'm sure you're not a secret lover of dictatorships but wouldn't it take some kind of totalitarian regime to put ideas as comprehensive as yours into effect so how does all this trance translate into politics or doesn't it is this just gonna be the best conversation I've had in months or it's there's still a chance you can get me elected president that's what I'd like to know say he is still asking me for program I'm trying to make you embrace a vision but you just want to know what the packaging is I'm a practical man I'm from Missouri I thought you were from the East Coast that's an expression it means show me devising policies that's your job I do think that as long as you continue looking at things through that old patriarchal Cartesian atone in Linz you're gonna miss out on what the world really is you we all of us we we need a new vision of the world and we need a more comprehensive more inclusive science to support us there is a new theory emerging now which places all the ecological concepts we've been talking about into one coherent scientific framework we call it Systems Theory the theory of living systems living systems mm-hmm all living organisms as well as social systems and ecosystems say this theory would help us get a much firmer grasp on the sciences that deal with life are these all your own ideas or do other people share them but I mean has this been applied in the sciences anywhere am i a crank it's okay senator this is real science and many scientists including some nobel laureates have been working on these thirty years producing Bateson matter Anna just to mention a few yes it is science but of a new kind instead of concentrating on basic building blocks the systems you concentrate some principles of organization instead of cutting things to pieces it looks at the living system as a whole how can you think usefully about things in this holistic way that's what I don't stay happy you can contemplate them you can look at them as Thomas says but if you want to do something if you want to get into specifics by definition don't you have to take things apart how can you talk usefully about a tree without talking about its roots or its leaves or its bark well I could could I live in naming the fuss you mentioned a Cartesian would look at the tree and conceptually take it to pieces then he would never really understand the nature of the tree as systems thinker but look at the tree and see the seasonal exchange between tree and earth earth and sky let's see their annual cycle which really is one big breath the earth takes through its forests providing us with oxygen the breath of life linking the earth with the sky and us with the universe a systems thinker we look at the tree and see the life of the tree only in relation to the life of the whole forest would see the tree as a habitat for birds a home for insects but if you look at a tree and and try to understand it is something separate you will be bewildered by the millions of fruits it's producing in its lifetime because only one or two trees will grow from those foods so if you look at the tree and see it as a member of a larger living system that abundance of fruits will make sense because hundreds upon hundreds of forest animals and birds will survive because of them interdependence and the tree cannot survive on its own either to draw water from the ground it needs the fungus that grows at the tip of each fruit and the fungus needs the root to survive and the root needs the fungus if one dies the other dies and there are millions of relationships like this in our world each depending on each other for life the Systems Theory recognizes this web of relationships as the essence of all living things only the uninformed would call such a notion my evil romantic because this dependency we all share it's a scientific fact a web of relationships yes but this time it is the web of life itself the theory of living systems actually provides you with an outline of an answer to that eternal question what is life okay Sonia let's hear it what's life well in system language the answer would be the essence of life is self-organization what is life ma'am well life is self-organizing its it very very very very very very nice very nice bare mat very very nice that's very nice I don't know it just sounds to me like something out of Alice in Wonderland where there's somebody down here that speaks your language yeah for watching you know as Merlin once said to King Arthur don't dishonor your feast by rejecting what's come to it what is life by the self working well that's just extraordinary yes it is and it means something specific – it means that the living system is self maintaining self renewing self-transcending what a self maintaining mean well it means that a living system although depending on its environment is not determined by take the yellow feels a Brian this island with all the rain here those fields should be green all year round but every summer they turn yellow why well to use a metaphor each plant remembers that it originated in the hot and dry climate of southern Asia it remembers and not even a dramatically different climate can change its inner-workings self-maintaining self-organizing I see what about self renewing what does that mean hey us like all living organisms we are constantly replacing ourselves in continuous cycles much faster than you can imagine your penguin example do you know that it replaces most of its cells within 24 hours that means that you wake up with a new pancreas each morning and a new stomach lining as well and your skin do you know that your skin falls over the rate of of hundred thousand cells a minute do you know that that most of the dust in our homes consists of our own dead skin cells that'll get into a poem our households are filled with dead skin but at the same time as all these dead cells are being said just as many are dividing and producing new skin that's self renewing as Heraclitus once said a man can step into the same river twice Sonia says the man can't shake hands with the same man twice with the same hand right yes and no though most of our cells are being replaced we do recognize because you see their pattern of our organization is still the same that's one of the important characteristics of life continues structural change but stability in their pattern of the system's organization and that's all there is to life no there is self-transcendent see a self-organization it's not only the living systems maintaining themselves and continuously renewing themselves it also means that they have an inherent tendency to transcend themselves to to reach out and create new forms see that is one of the one of the most exciting parts to me that that the basic dynamics of evolution it's not adaptation its creativity you mean the living systems will evolve just for the hell of it they'll sort of go exploring whether they need to for survival or not so that I'm not so far out of step as I usually suppose oh you're not creativity is a basic element of evolution every living organism has the potential for creativity for surprising and transcending itself creating what for instance beauty oh yes beauty to see evolution is so much more than adaptation to the environment because what is the environment if not a living system which evolves and and creatively adapts itself so which adapts to which each to the other they co-evolved evolution is an ongoing dance a nun going conversation we are systems and the planet is a system we don't evolve on the planet we evolve with the planet wouldn't it be extraordinarily powerful if you could introduce just that one idea into the political dialogue yeah Jack there might be something in this for you to renew your candidacy Wallace for Sonja and myself I bet you're gonna say that it was my destiny to come here meet Sonia listen to these ideas what am I gonna do about this I come from a country where they use 40% of the world's resources to support six percent of the world's population which makes the population so happy and peaceful that we're the world's biggest drug market half our teenagers contemplate suicide and one in five girls has tried it what a systems thinker give nuclear energy a second thought we're up to our necks in it in all of its waste and the most important issue what you've just been saying is the obsessive pursuit of growth now that has to stop I know I know I've been all over this a hundred times obsessive growth pathological growth destructive growth but how are you gonna get anybody to accept what am I gonna do where do you start we have to give importance to the next generation and the next see it was only when we failed to include them in our scientific theories and in our pursuit of growth that we placed all living systems in jeopardy just contemplate that that horrifying fact that we are leaving to our children the most poisonous of wastes plutonium it's going to remain poisonous for the next generation and the next and the next in fact it's going to remain poisonous for half a million years we should never have accepted that theory No his power we should never have accepted the idea that what's good for General Motors is good for America we need a sustainable Society one in which our own needs are being satisfied without diminishing their the possibilities of the next generation with you asking me you asking me what should you do I don't know what you should do you know what you should do I know that what worked for me was to come here be quiet and take one thing at a time sink one thought to its end now that was my first real step telling you what's my second you can't pass the buck that easily how about doing something direct about this how about helping me how about joining my staff what gloomy I don't know finding a way to get these ideas of yours into the political mainstream you say it's urgent you say the ideas are practical I'll give you a chance to prove it of course it'll be frustrating work you'd have to watch a lot of lying and wheeling and dealing you'd have to learn how to compromise too you'd have to get your hands dirty well I get them dirty the way I want here in my ivory tower where I can sit and think something that Jack with his tenacious pursuit of the common good not to mention his own career just doesn't seem to understand how an individual can want to get away a long long way away thousands and thousands and thousands of miles away so that you can have the luxury of being a voice crying in the wilderness instead of being one of many voices trying to be heard over the clamor enough believe me I I can appreciate being here I can understand why that would be nice right I see the pedestrian nature of political work but look if you're gonna say no don't say anything just think it over what time is the tide actually come in it'll be soon now it's going to reach its all your high today Google closer come Thomas must like you he doesn't usually have this much time for other people's ideas do you well not yours maybe but now that's not nice yes I like her I like you yes a lot of guts come here isolate stay put determined to figure things out until you had something to offer a couple of sods like you and I you know a lot of people talk about doing things like that but how many people actually roll the dice and do it I could have stayed as long read as much and decided that you had absolutely nothing to offer in isolation in and of itself is a very scary thing jack so yeah I like you I like you too very brave of you to listen I'd been disappointed if you had I would have bothered me but but you know Jack I'm not I'm not so sure the strong-arming her into a Washingtonian office that's exactly where she needs to be right now in fact it may be exactly where she doesn't need to be what's eating you all right what is this group therapy all of this is covered in water when the tide comes in oh yes including pastures must take a special breed of sheep to be able to graze around here at all with all this salt and how could the grass grow without the manure the sheep grazing on it I wouldn't be surprised if the people around here have a taste for salty lambs of the people are in the two see the grass people sheep you asked me what the lobster is weaving down there with its golden feet I tell you the ocean knows this you say who is the acidic waiting for in its transparent Bell I tell you it's waiting for time like you you say who does the macrocystis al Gaye hug in its arms study it study it at a certain hour in a certain sea I know you questioned me about the wicked tusk of the narwhal and I respond by describing to you how the sea unicorn with a harpoon in it dies inquire about the kingfishers feathers which tremble in the pure springs of the southern shores I want to tell you that the ocean knows this that life in its jewel boxes is endless as the sand impossible to count pure and the time among the blood colored grapes has made the pedal hard and shiny filled the jellyfish with light untied it's not letting its musical threads fall from a horn of plenty made of infinite mother-of-pearl I'm nothing but the empty net which has gone on ahead of human eyes dead in the darkness 'as the fingers accustomed to the triangle longitude from the timid globe of an orange I walked around like you investigating the endless star and in my net during the night I woke up naked the only thing caught a fish trapped inside the wind Pablo Neruda Pablo Neruda to remind you of anything walked around investigating the endless star isn't that what you do Sonia and in my net during the night I awoke naked isn't that what you do don't you take your net and throw it out into these these far out places of quantum physics and Systems Theory and and don't you find that the only thing you ever catch is your own self back again like a fish trapped inside the wind we're the other people in your system Sonya ones you love what about these tourists here that we feel so superior to aren't they to like fish trapped inside the wind and I don't know maybe even the feelings more terrible for them because you know they don't have words to describe it so tell me Sonya where are all of us in there the real people with their qualities their longings their weaknesses where are you inside there Sonia where's kit you know scientists can tell us what life's internal metaphors are whether they're computer chips or clocks politicians can tell us what forms our lives should take but I feel just as reduced being called a system as I do being called a clock life's just just not condensable no one group of people uses one set of words to change the world then another set of people come along with the different set of words to change it and I don't mind you know it's all the same to me I don't mind the bed it's like the seasons changing and I like you I like your timorous courage I like the fact that you want to make the world a better place God knows it could use it and I like my silly friend Jack who's crazy enough to think that he wants to be President of the United States and as for me don't mind me I'm uh-oh remember life feels itself life feels so differently perhaps in all your words for how to manage it and even with the best intentions in the world you'll go wrong if you forget that life life life life life is infinitely more than yours or my obtuse theories about appealing the universe is an inside job and you helped me and I love you and I love you too I love you both this water what a day well we're going to go we better leave now why don't you just stay I don't know why don't you just come anyway thank you don't thank me I love the day I hate goodbyes maybe it's not goodbye please think about what I said let us know how the water right don't matter of course it matters let it get all the way back to the line let it renew itself right Sonja maybe come to Paris to let me know or Washington where do York we're the other people in your system Sonya ones you love real people with their qualities their longings their weaknesses mommy okay where are you inside there Sonia where's kid are you thinking shall we go home you you you like my long weekend France has just come to a close maybe I too entire being a stranger being outside a language environment which lived which resonated inside me our emotional system if she might say needs a larger system nurturer doesn't make any difference you're locked in with the people you're not meeting the morons she's right of course about damn near everything even the parts I didn't understand felt right so should I just go with it this is one of those turning points you the woman I the man is the world and each is the work of all there's the muffled step in the sand the stranger the crippled random done the dance of the angels weighing over the walkers in the village and there are many beautiful arms around us in the things we now known as the damn von Goethe

29 thoughts on “Mindwalk (1990) [Eng Captions–Spanish, Romenian]

  1. Omg this movie has changed some perspectives that I had. I feel so different now. This movie added me more ideas to my perspective of life. I don’t even know how I got here. It’s so weird, but I’m so glad that I watched this.

  2. The best character in this movie is the one that never says a word, Mt. St Michel.

  3. Fantastic movie, really hit the spot. To see these three philosophies in the same court is brilliant—the Machiavelli, the Quine (inspired) and the Blake. Understanding of the universe in people, systems and the person. It’s a damn shame a lot of these political issues are still so relevant today—the philosophy yes—but where have we moved on climate change and thinking seven generations into the future. Anyways great video, thanks for posting. They don’t make a lot of em like it!

  4. This made my day !
    Something that is once in a lifetime.🌎🌆🌿

    Indelible, Revolutionary,
    Cozy ,

    Mindwalk 1990👏🌍

  5. Was high while watching this, tripped balls fam. 420/420 would recommend

  6. the best movie i have watched in many years. i watch this over and over and never get tired.

  7. Everything is more complicated of our understanding of it. True, but I knew that before I saw this. Did this film's ideas get to me before the film itself did? Were it and I influenced by the same predecessors? Or is it just not so far from mainstream thinking as it thinks it is?

    It's a good film, though. Very high concept, fascinating analysis, not often wrong in the details. But others say it's brilliant or revolutionary, and I do not. It's merely interesting to me.

  8. Kind of pretentious. I have a feeling this film inspired a lot of similar new-agey boomer films that were made in the years after.

  9. A very thought provoking,informative,movie to watch ,I liked the conversations

  10. Can life be contained? No. Can knowledge be suppressed? No. Can power be diminished? No. Physics, even at the sub-atomic level, wasn't made by chance. It was the creation of an unnamed, unfounded force. This force gave humans the capacity to think beyond any other living organism, so change will continue to occur as long as humans exist. these changes will not always be for the good. Applying systems theory can delay the change, but not defy it.

  11. What a classic. You can watch it as many times as you like and every time you find some new gems. Mark of a truly great work. This and that 'my dinner with andre'. However the other copy of this movie has better sound but no captions. this one has captiions but very low volume!

  12. Every issue raised in this film is about perception and perception is consciousness. If anyone is interested in advancing their consciousness and thereby altering their perception, I highly recommend reading The Evolution of Consciousness series of books by Endall Beall. I stumbled across these books on Amazon and have never read anything so profound in all my life.

  13. Interesting idea, however the (supposed) scientist contradicts herself too often (portrayed like this on purpose? i don't know) which makes it seem like this movie wants to be much smarter than it really is.

    Today the general public seems to be much more aware of certain topics & ideas mentioned in this movie… which is at least a good sign.

  14. I didn't know that Mr Capra's book had transcribed into a movie..

  15. no la he podido descargar con subtitulo no sé cómo hacerlo????

  16. This is better than the DVD I have. I finally stayed at Mount Saint Michael in 2004 for two nights. I live in Santa Barbara, CA (or close now)  Mount Saint Michael for me is equally as special.

  17. Cheers to my fellow LSEE majors at HSU.  Good luck.  This film is slower than turds rolling up a hill…

  18. I saw this movie when it came out in 1990 and it changed my perspective on the world and my place in it. I was just beginning to study architecture and this movie launched me down a path that had yet to be explored, sustainable design. Sustainable design today has become mainstream and I have been fortunate enough to be at the forefront of this movement, systems thinking as described in this movie has become reality and one of the biggest cultural shifts since the technological revolution. While this movie is a little dated now, and certainly not a fast paced gripping feature, it's subject matter is still totally relevant and revolutionary. 

  19. My prof for my environmental geography class recommended this video. He said it's a good video to show the change from the scientific revolution. Anyone want to give some points on how this film shows the changes from the scientific revolution.

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